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Aviation Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / August 2004Greek Airforce
I've seen the Greek Airforce in the news a bit and it looks like they're still flying the mirage. Are my eyes deceiving me? Cheers Paul Unless otherwise stated all references to location refer to Western Australia > I've seen the Greek Airforce in the news a bit and it looks like > they're still flying the mirage. > Are my eyes deceiving me? > Cheers > Paul Paul, The Greeks are operating the Mirage 2000-5. It one of the latest and most advanced variants of the Mirage. The 2000-5 is a 4th generation fighter operated by France, UAE, and Greece amongst others. It is not the old Mirage III-O which Australia operated. It's an entirely new aircraft. It looks similar because of the same delta wing configuration. Check out: http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/mirage-2000.htm The French have 4 of the Mirage 2000-5 out here for exercises with our F/A-18 Hornets at the moment. See: http://www.defence.gov.au/pitchblack/images/gallery/300704/index.htm The Greek Air Force is also a large operator of the F-16. The just recently took delivery of Block 50/52+ F-16C/Ds - with conformal fuel tanks. Probably the most advanced F-16s in the world today (with the exception of the Block 60s F-16s that the UAE is getting. The also have an ERIEYE AEW&C capability, as well as Patriot and S-300 Surface to Air Missiles. If you want further info, check out the following sites: http://homepage.eircom.net/~steven/hellenic_air_force.htm http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article5.html Hope this helps. Mike And knowing the french it it is probably a fine aircraft that is particularly good at hiding, running away and shooting people in the back. Thanks for the info. Paul >> I've seen the Greek Airforce in the news a bit and it looks like >> they're still flying the mirage. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Mike Unless otherwise stated all references to location refer to Western Australia Oh and your a crack ace that will engage and shoot down anything you see and beat your chest too.. You're an American ....Right ?????????????????// > And knowing the french it it is probably a fine aircraft that is > particularly good at hiding, running away and shooting people in the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Unless otherwise stated all references to location refer to Western Australia Actually I am Aussie - I just think the French are a bunch of cowards without honour. The rainbow warrior bombing in Auckland Harbour. (and by the way I do not support or even like Greenpeace) Thousands of New Zealand soldiers died fighting for France in 2 world wars, and how does France repay that sacrifice - they send covert agents to perform an act of terrorism on New Zealand soil. The reason the French did not support the war on terrorism is that to do so would be an act of gross hypocrasy given that they themselves practice terrorism. The French Foreign Legion? An army of foreigners because France is too cowardly to fight in the few wars they get involved in. Cheers Paul >Oh and your a crack ace that will engage and shoot down anything you see and >beat your chest too.. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> Unless otherwise stated all references to location refer to Western >Australia Unless otherwise stated all references to location refer to Western Australia > Actually I am Aussie - I just think the French are a bunch of cowards > without honour. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cheers > Paul That sort of logic is akin to the old chesnut: Jack eats potatoes Irishmen eat potatoes Jack must be an Irishmen Likewise let us hope the French don't judge every Australian by John Howard's beliefs and public statements. John > That sort of logic is akin to the old chesnut: > Jack eats potatoes > Irishmen eat potatoes > Jack must be an Irishmen Send Jack the filthy paddy back to the bog. > Likewise let us hope the French don't judge every Australian by John > Howard's beliefs and public statements. Who cares what the French think? http://www.libertyoutlet.com/store/itemdetail.html?detailid=17 > Who cares what the French think? at least they are capable of thinking!! > > Who cares what the French think? > > > at least they are capable of thinking!! Have fun substantiating that. Great French thinkers? That fool Foucault? Rousseau? Gimme a break. well for starters, the french could see what the americans could not see from their own intelligence. ie the proof was not there excuse the lower case, baby in one hand i would add a smiley but then i would have to put the baby down > > > Who cares what the French think? > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That fool Foucault? Rousseau? Gimme a break. >Who cares what the French think? Who cares what you think Dumkopf? Lookee here http://tinyurl.com/6bfhn where the seriously unperceptive Hillard wrote The 'Iraqi Resistance' clearly amounts to SFA. Current events suggest otherwise and it was always going to be thus - as the Poms found out last century. Hmmm don't judge the people by the acts of a cowardly few. Politicians in themselves have no credibility. Be careful where you go with your accusations. Many many believe Howard is no better than scum on a duckpond. And his colours are starting to glow bright yellow as of late. That by your judgment reflects nback on you, me, us. but then, that's the game isn't it :-) > Actually I am Aussie - I just think the French are a bunch of cowards > without honour. [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Unless otherwise stated all references to location refer to Western Australia >Hmmm don't judge the people by the acts of a cowardly few. Politicians in >themselves have no credibility. Be careful where you go with your >accusations. Many many believe Howard is no better than scum on a duckpond. A totally unjustifiable and inflated estimate of his deserved altitude. :-) > Oh and your a crack ace that will engage and shoot down anything you see and > beat your chest too.. > You're an American ....Right ?????????????????// Not a lot of difference these days. The French benefited from a massive injection of superior genes in 1944-46, when thanks to Uncle Sam, millions of French women learned what it was like to sleep with a winner. More than that, a winner that didn't call them "Frauline". You know why the French plant trees along their highways? Because German soldiers like to march in the shade. > And knowing the french it it is probably a fine aircraft that is > particularly good at hiding, running away and shooting people in the > back. Seems a good idea to me! Not as good as digging holes as the F-16 though ;)  SignaturePaul Repacholi 1 Crescent Rd., +61 (08) 9257-1001 Kalamunda. West Australia 6076 comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be. Interesting, I thought Delta Wings had been dropped due to poor turning performance. If Mirages are still being made with that configuration have they beaten this issue with technology or am I barking up the wrong tree? SignatureBernie Samms Kingston Beach Tasmania Aero Club of Southern Tasmania www.acst.com.au Prologic Pty Ltd www.prologic.com.au Out Mail has been checked by Norton Anti Virus but no absolute guarantee is made that mail or attachment(s) are virus free. > > I've seen the Greek Airforce in the news a bit and it looks like > > they're still flying the mirage. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Mike Forward canards seem to do the trick :-) Combined with Thrust vectoring. You're on a winner. Check out the X-31. You'll see what I mean. I have seen a video of this aircraft turn like nothing else. " During flight testing, the X-31 aircraft established several milestones. On November 6, 1992, the X-31 achieved controlled flight at a 70-degree angle of attack. On April 29, 1993, the second X-31 successfully executed a rapid minimum-radius, 180-degree turn using a post-stall maneuver, flying well beyond the aerodynamic limits of any conventional aircraft. This revolutionary maneuver has been called the "Herbst Maneuver" after Wolfgang Herbst, a German proponent of using post-stall flight in air-to-air combat. > Interesting, I thought Delta Wings had been dropped due to poor turning > performance. If Mirages are still being made with that configuration have [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > Mike They are one of the most advanced dog fighting aircraft ever built. I remember reading an evaluation buy a couple of F-16 pilots who had spent a bit of time in France to evaluate them and they were extremely impressed and thought the F-16 would be hard pressed to take them on and live in a dog fight > Interesting, I thought Delta Wings had been dropped due to poor turning > performance. If Mirages are still being made with that configuration have [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > > Mike >They are one of the most advanced dog fighting aircraft ever built. I >remember reading an evaluation buy a couple of F-16 pilots who had spent a >bit of time in France to evaluate them and they were extremely impressed and >thought the F-16 would be hard pressed to take them on and live in a dog >fight Actually the best close in dog fight aircraft is probably the Mig-21. I used to do some Engineering work at Luke AFB in the USA (best known for training F104 and F15 pilots), and they had this neat two cockpit sim, called the SAC simulator. It could provide just any aircraft performance and handling characteristics in either seat. The preferred 'agressor' aircraft of the training folks was the Mig-21. If it ever got in gun range, you weren't likely to surive the encounter.. They operate Mirage 2000's which are similar to the original Mirage 3 in name and look only. Regards, Daniel. > I've seen the Greek Airforce in the news a bit and it looks like > they're still flying the mirage. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Unless otherwise stated all references to location refer to Western Australia The tactic they use is to sneak up from behind. > I've seen the Greek Airforce in the news a bit and it looks like > they're still flying the mirage. > Are my eyes deceiving me? Just don't take any photos, or they'll chuck you in the clink. |
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