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Aviation Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / June 2007US NAVY man on Australian child sex charges faces court case in Australia more information
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/06/25/118262 3820422.html >From a US military exercise to a US military sexercise Great ethical US military invading Australia for war games produces a man with a open marriage, a loving wife and a seedy need for f.cking children under the age of 16. A 28yr man chats up a 14yr girl and then flies down to meet her.. Seems he needs a castration and long term jail. The US Navy needs to butt out of this and let the australian legal system prosecute the criminal. It happened in Australia, not on a us military installation so they have no control what so ever. This could become a good leverage for Australia in buying US military items as the US will loose face with such a key ally on war in raq. US will be bending over backwards to keep the PR fallout from growing Sadly it is prime time news > http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/0... > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Sadly it is prime time news Australians have long been happy to entertain American soldiers while our young men are busy over seas protecting American interests all around the world Australians have always been happy to care for the American soldiers many needs kanga ===== > Australians have long been happy to entertain American soldiers while > our young men are busy over seas protecting American interests all > around the world>>>>> You mean the same Americans that helped defend Australia from the Japanese during the Second World War???? > > Australians have long been happy to entertain American soldiers while > > our young men are busy over seas protecting American interests all > > around the world>>>>> > > You mean the same Americans that helped defend Australia from the Japanese > during the Second World War???? while yanks were busyily invading sydney and brisbane in 1942 we had aussies dying in thousands in PNG.... >> > Australians have long been happy to entertain American soldiers while >> > our young men are busy over seas protecting American interests all [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > while yanks were busyily invading sydney and brisbane in 1942 we had > aussies dying in thousands in PNG.... If that's all you will give credit to the yanks for, then you don't know what you are talking about >> > Australians have long been happy to entertain American soldiers while >> > our young men are busy over seas protecting American interests all [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > while yanks were busyily invading sydney and brisbane in 1942 we had > aussies dying in thousands in PNG.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sunda_Strait http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Buna-Gona http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokoda_Track_Campaign http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Guadalcanal you are a prat, go to the war memorial read the diaries of those australian soldiers shipping out from sydney after the Japanese had been running rampant in the indian and pacific oceans for 6 months , demolishing everything that stood in their way those soldiers knew they would be cut to pieces and when they sailed out past u.s. ships sailing in some wept, because they knew they wouldn't be the last line of defense > and when they sailed out past u.s. ships sailing in some wept, > because they knew they wouldn't be the last line of defense > A friend of mine knew a Aussie Coast Watcher from WW II. Those have got to be some of the ballsiest guys that ever lived. Kind of like SOG in Vietnam...if you had to go behind enemy lines all on your own in SOG. But of course these were Aussies; that would _appeal_ to them. "No officers, no orders, no inspections...like the idea already, mate." If the Australians didn't exist, you'd have to invent them. The world just plain _needs_ those wonderful, slightly crazy, guys and gals. :-) Pat <snip> > The US Navy needs to butt out of this and let the australian legal > system prosecute the criminal. It happened in Australia, not on a us > military installation so they have no control what so ever. You might want to see if the status of forces agreement says that. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired So if a australian sailor goes and seeks sex in USA in their free time , you sure he wouldnt be tried as a civilian as that is what they come under in USA.. not a military aspect. If you seek a child while wearing a military uniform they can arrest you yes. but if you are off duty as was the us navy sailor, they have no rights to military justice and civil laws are then in use for prosecutions. > http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/06/25/118262 3820422.html > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > man with a open marriage, a loving wife and a seedy need for f.cking > children under the age of 16. You sound like Petzl. What, precisely, is your point. One crook does not reflect on the entire US military. > A 28yr man chats up a 14yr girl and then flies down to meet her.. Yep. If it's true, he's a bad buggar. > Seems he needs a castration and long term jail. The law at present does not have a penalty called 'castration'. > The US Navy needs to butt out of this and let the australian legal > system prosecute the criminal. It happened in Australia, not on a us > military installation so they have no control what so ever. That's correct. But such things are always by negotiation. > This could become a good leverage for Australia in buying US military > items as the US will loose face with such a key ally on war in raq. At this time, there is no war in raq. 'Leverage for Australia'? Are you serious? This doesn't rate at all in terms of such negotiations. > US will be bending over backwards to keep the PR fallout from growing > Sadly it is prime time news Uh no, it's not. On a scale of 1-10 for newsworthiness, it's a -3. In Japan, where there are many (unwanted) military bases, there is a high level of crime by US military. Those crimes get a great deal of Japan press, but almost zero on the world stage.  SignatureCraig <snip> > At this time, there is no war in raq. The war in raq is on hold until the war in ran is over. Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired I am guessing I wasn't told. Mick C ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired I remember hearing an American comedian on the radio. He was commenting on the inability of most Americans to locate Iraq on a map. He said, "until the Gulf War, I thought Iraq was the past tense of Iran". - Franc Zabkar SignaturePlease remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. >><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > He said, "until the Gulf War, I thought Iraq was the past tense of > Iran". Now it could be the future tense :-( SignatureBOFH excuse #362: Plasma conduit breach > At this time, there is no war in raq. We find it on a map, we'll hit it with our boys. - The United States Marines "From the halls of Montezuma to wherever "Raq" is. Hitting beaches yet unheard of, that is always Marine biz. First to land on shores unknown of, by anyone indeed. We are proud to take them quickly, and with the greatest speed. Does anyone have a GPS, where are we at today? Wherever we are at, America's foes shall surely pay. Take the hill, raise the flag, and salute our nation, wherever that may be. We may be completely lost, but by God, this place is freed!" Pat > http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/0... http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/0... >From a US military exercise to a US military sexercise Great ethical US military invading Australia for war games produces a man with a open marriage, a loving wife and a seedy need for f.cking children under the age of 16. A 28yr man chats up a 14yr girl and then flies down to meet her.. Seems he needs a castration and long term jail. The US Navy needs to butt out of this and let the australian legal system prosecute the criminal. It happened in Australia, not on a us military installation so they have no control what so ever. This could become a good leverage for Australia in buying US military items as the US will loose face with such a key ally on war in raq. US will be bending over backwards to keep the PR fallout from growing Sadly it is prime time news > http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/06/25/118262 3820422.html > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Seems he needs a castration and long term jail. So you think someone deserves to be jailed for arranging a meeting with someone over the internet? Last time I checked, that wasn't a crime. Which law exactly did this guy break? >>> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/06/25/118262 3820422.html >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> with someone over the internet? Last time I checked, that wasn't a >> crime. Which law exactly did this guy break? He was procuring an underage girl for the purposes of sexual intercourse. There are laws in Australia, and probably the US also, against that sort of thing, so the police don't have to wait until the child is actually physically molested. SignatureCheers Dave Kearton > He was procuring an underage girl for the purposes of sexual intercourse. > There are laws in Australia, and probably the US also, against that sort of > thing, so the police don't have to wait until the child is actually > physically molested. He is alleged to have done that ... SignatureCraig http://www.wazu.jp/ 1,238 Unicode fonts for 75 written language groups: > He was procuring an underage girl for the purposes of sexual intercourse. > There are laws in Australia, and probably the US also, against that sort of > thing, so the police don't have to wait until the child is actually > physically molested. He is alleged to have done that ... SignatureCraig http://www.wazu.jp/ 1,238 Unicode fonts for 75 written language groups: >> Dave Kearton wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> He is alleged to have done that ... Yes, thanks for the correction. SignatureCheers Dave Kearton >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/06/25/118262 3820422.html >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > someone over the internet? Last time I checked, that wasn't a crime. > Which law exactly did this guy break? He hasn't broken any law, at the moment. He's merely alleged to have. The law in question is "grooming a child for sex via a communications device" (or something like that). If he's found guilty under Australian civil law, he'll get a slap on the wrist and sent home. If jurisdiction is handed to the US Navy (and he's found guilty) they'll throw him in jail for a year and then out of the Service. Take no notice of the dills, it only gets them more frothy-mouthed. SignatureInsert witty saying here. > So you think someone deserves to be jailed for arranging a meeting with > someone over the internet? Last time I checked, that wasn't a crime. Which > law exactly did this guy break? Clearly, you haven't read the press reports. The offence with which he's been charged is a crime. SignatureCraig http://www.wazu.jp/ 1,238 Unicode fonts for 75 written language groups: >> So you think someone deserves to be jailed for arranging a meeting with >> someone over the internet? Last time I checked, that wasn't a crime. >> Which law exactly did this guy break? > > Clearly, you haven't read the press reports. The offence with which he's > been charged is a crime. Well it shouldn't be. I believe a person should not be arrested based on something they say or think, only their actions. For example, this guy could have arranged a meeting with the girl and then changed his mind at the last minute. If I arranged a bank robbery, rocked up to the bank, but at the last second decided against it, should I then be arrested? >>> David Z wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> robbery, rocked up to the bank, but at the last second decided >> against it, should I then be arrested? That's more than a little naive. What if you arranged the robbery, organised the rest of the gang - chickened out at the last second, but the robbery goes ahead anyway. You're saying the rest of the gang have committed an offence and you're pure as the driven snow ? What if you convinced one of your little jihadi friends to blow himself up in a local shopping mall - killing (say) 50 men, women and children. You're still totally innocent ? What colour is the sky on _your_ planet ? SignatureCheers Dave Kearton > "Craig Welch"" >> Clearly, you haven't read the press reports. The offence with which he's >> been charged is a crime. > > Well it shouldn't be. I believe a person should not be arrested based on > something they say or think, only their actions. Too late. The Howard government has recently made it a crime to speak your mind in matters of politics, if you happen to support someone that the Government doesn't. SignatureCraig http://www.wazu.jp/ 1,238 Unicode fonts for 75 written language groups: >>> So you think someone deserves to be jailed for arranging a meeting with >>> someone over the internet? Last time I checked, that wasn't a crime. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the last minute. If I arranged a bank robbery, rocked up to the bank, but > at the last second decided against it, should I then be arrested? You're both overlooking an important point. The charge is "grooming a child for intercourse". He's, allegedly done that already, and the cops had sufficient evidence to request an arrest warrant. He's not charged with having sex with a kid, but grooming one for it. SignatureInsert witty saying here. > http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/06/25/118262 3820422.html > >>From a US military exercise to a US military sexercise Piss off JGG >> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/06/25/118262 3820422.html >> >> >From a US military exercise to a US military sexercise > > Piss off JGG peddocise more like Mick C > http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/im-a-family-man-us-soldier/2007/06/25/118262 3820422.html > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The US Navy needs to butt out of this and let the australian legal > system prosecute the criminal. If he's lucky, that's what will happen. The US military legal code is waaaaaaay tougher than Australian civil law. I'm surprised an expert on the USA, like you (JGG) would not have known that. SignatureInsert witty saying here. |
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