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Aviation Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / November 2008VH-OJK
Returns to Oz on Monday.  SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.newsaviation.com > Returns to Oz on Monday. Is it ready to return to service, or is this just a ferry flight after the essential work was done? Sylvia. >> Returns to Oz on Monday. > > Is it ready to return to service, or is this just a ferry flight after > the essential work was done? > > Sylvia. I would say its a full repair. Dixon get things done cheaper OS. Whats the point in making a temp repair, cost wise, no savings in that. What you should be asking is why has it taken so long, maybe replacing all the oxygen masks! >>> Returns to Oz on Monday. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > What you should be asking is why has it taken so long, maybe replacing > all the oxygen masks! I've no idea how long such a repair should take. Presumably they don't just patch up the hole with filler. Sylvia. >>>> Returns to Oz on Monday. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Sylvia. Would depend on how large the skin panel was and the replacement of ribs etc clearing all the excess structure. Nice to see an image of the repair to get a feel the area which it covered. Have seen repairs bigger than this carried out within a fortnight. r > >> Dixon get things done cheaper OS. Whats the point in making a temp > >> repair, cost wise, no savings in that. I pretty much decided where the aircraft was going to be repaired...wherever I left it. > >> What you should be asking is why has it taken so long, maybe replacing > >> all the oxygen masks! Silly comment. A very small number of the masks did not deploy. And, that is why there is a surfeit of masks. There were multiple masks within reach of everyone...and about a 100 spares. > Would depend on how large the skin panel was and the replacement of ribs > etc clearing all the excess structure. > > Nice to see an image of the repair to get a feel the area which it covered. > > Have seen repairs bigger than this carried out within a fortnight. Really? On what? Having seen the damage, I'm surprised it's been fixed as quickly as it has. My understanding is that at least two, and perhaps three, frames were totally replaced. Not spliced or repaired, but replaced. Now that is a big job. SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.newsaviation.com > > >> Dixon get things done cheaper OS. Whats the point in making a temp > > >> repair, cost wise, no savings in that. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Read the latest aviation news atwww.newsaviation.com Oh Bugger !! That will teach me to not read all the posts in a thread oops >>>>> Dixon get things done cheaper OS. Whats the point in making a temp >>>>> repair, cost wise, no savings in that. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Oh Bugger !! That will teach me to not read all the posts in a > thread No it won't. If you had any propensity at all to learn from similar mistakes you'd have already done so. In the past week alone you just couldn't wait to tell us all about this video of an aircraft losing a wing. Totally ignoring Crash Lander's earlier post warning that it was maybe a fake. And if you'd cared to check sources, the video and/or Google before posting it was easy peasy to determine that it was a setup. Yet you have the bloody audacity to accuse the media of putting up shyte without checking sources or authenticity. Hypocrisy knows no bounds in this newsgroup. Ned > oops > >>>>> Dixon get things done cheaper OS. Whats the point in making a temp > >>>>> repair, cost wise, no savings in that. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > > oops Ned Crash Landers posts via google always have some delay as well as a few others If this is how you spend your day then good luck to you I spend 10 14 hours a day 6 days a week working My job is NOT verifying AA posts for you and I did cough up that I had been had . if you dont like my posts dont read them - save yourself an ulcer Thus to look after your ulcer and manner no Boags for you have a glass of Rain water (frog optional) >Yet you have the bloody audacity to accuse the media of putting up shyte without >checking sources or authenticity. The media not only a responsibility to do so, they get paid to do so, unlike the chap you are attacking, who is, after all, only engaged in a conversation. >Hypocrisy knows no bounds in this newsgroup. Indeed, it is enormously hypocritical to expect everyone engaged in day to day conversations to engage in the fact checking which is the professional duty of those in the media, which often fails in that duty as it is. SignatureCheers Paul Saccani Perth, Western Australia. >The media not only a responsibility to do so, they get paid to do so, >unlike the chap you are attacking, who is, after all, only engaged in >a conversation. Correction - The media not only *have* a responsibility..... SignatureCheers Paul Saccani Perth, Western Australia. > The media not only *have* a responsibility..... It doesn't appear to me to be a responsibility that they've ever taken particularly seriously, but I'm astonished at the way that they respond when their integrity is questioned. I'm not aware of any special "have cake and eat it too" dispensation that applies only to journaliars, but they certainly behave as though there is an unwritten one somewhere. GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. > Hypocrisy knows no bounds in this newsgroup. Neither does rudeness :) SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.flight.org >>>> Dixon get things done cheaper OS. Whats the point in making a temp >>>> repair, cost wise, no savings in that. > > I pretty much decided where the aircraft was going to be > repaired...wherever I left it. That would be correct, what is the point in doing a temp repair was my point. Who did the repair? >>>> What you should be asking is why has it taken so long, maybe replacing >>>> all the oxygen masks! > > Silly comment. A very small number of the masks did not deploy. And, that > is why there is a surfeit of masks. There were multiple masks within reach > of everyone...and about a 100 spares. That was in jest maybe a smiley should have followed. Oxygen masks are a matter of fact to replace, within routine maintenance schedule. >> Would depend on how large the skin panel was and the replacement of ribs >> etc clearing all the excess structure. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Really? On what? A Boeing team were flown in to Mascot to carry out the repair with all the prepared materials. > Having seen the damage, I'm surprised it's been fixed as quickly as it > has. My understanding is that at least two, and perhaps three, frames were > totally replaced. Not spliced or repaired, but replaced. Now that is a big > job. That why I asked if an image was available to see how much was repaired. Someone must have taken pics whilst the repair was in progress. > > Really? On what? > > A Boeing team were flown in to Mascot to carry out the repair with all > the prepared materials. Yes, but on what? The Singair tailscrape in Auckland made a much bigger hole, and damaged lots of the frames, but I'm not sure that aircraft was ever fixed. It certainly didn't happen in a hurry anyway. > That why I asked if an image was available to see how much was repaired. > Someone must have taken pics whilst the repair was in progress. Not to me at the moment, though I guess there must be a bunch out there somewhere or other. SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.newsaviation.com >>> Really? On what? >> >> A Boeing team were flown in to Mascot to carry out the repair with all >> the prepared materials. > > Yes, but on what? back when you flew A4's (Qantas had the maintenance contract on A4's) think it was a -200 can't remember who owned it now. > The Singair tailscrape in Auckland made a much bigger hole, and damaged > lots of the frames, but I'm not sure that aircraft was ever fixed. It [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Not to me at the moment, though I guess there must be a bunch out there > somewhere or other. >> I pretty much decided where the aircraft was going to be >> repaired...wherever I left it. >That would be correct, what is the point in doing a temp repair was my >point. I can see cases for same. If the aircraft is flyable, and a real shop is not that far away. Or if the AOG location lacks space, weather, or access for the repair folks [ahem that P3 in China...]; to think of a few reasons. I recall a UAL manager telling me how hard it was to move spare engines around, and this in the DC8/707 era. They had an aircraft with a 3rd pylon used to hang a spare going outbound or back in for repairs. I'd assume that once patched, VH-OJK was flown to your maint base for minor items, such as replacing all those masks... >Who did the repair? >[Boeing team] Obviously a divison that was not out on strike... The real question is: did you see the final bill? SignatureA host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 >>> I pretty much decided where the aircraft was going to be >>> repaired...wherever I left it. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > The real question is: did you see the final bill? When I seen these repairs, not much publicity was given to the airline industry, so things went unnoticed. Total price of an aircraft back then was very little plus the fares were expensive. Qantas had about 7000 employees hanging of each tail of their 24 aircraft. What has surprised me about Boeing, back in 2003 there were heaps of protest posters up every where in Seattle for them wanting employment to construct the 7X7 (787 now) I think they had 4 747 on the line all F models, not much prospect for orders, parked over the road, was an unpainted (but for all over red OEJ). They were laying off workers etc Now they have orders and don't want to work. Boeing stopped the workers from taking handguns onto the property (carparks) and they complained as to how they were going to get to work without protection. Some of the other things, that came out from the floor were, to say the least, incredible. Something has to give with Boeing. The US government will now reduce or stop military orders like when Bill Clinton was in office, this supported Boeing as a company. Rob wrote... > Have seen repairs bigger than this carried out within a fortnight. Wish that the two times that I had my car repaired that it took less than a fortnight to complete. Sounds like it was done pretty efficiently, given the seriousness of the damage. When they refered to replacing "frames" do they mean skin panels or structural components of the fuselage? SignatureThose are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. > Rob wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > When they refered to replacing "frames" do they mean skin panels or structural > components of the fuselage? Both - they strip the skin and replace the structure underneath then replace the skin. When they would have stripped the skins off, Boeing would have done an engineering assessment of the damage, then recommended how much had to be replaced. The hull is in sections which have flanges (machined aluminum) at each end these are then bolted together. Then there are stringers between the flanges. The critical part in the repair is just how close to the flanges was the damage and there replacement plus the likely replaced the whole door frame The job would depend on the overall size of the repair, stripping out a large section of the aircraft interior, its not just putting a doubler in place over the hole. When you think of the hull as a pressure vessel needs more than a patch. >> Rob wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > place over the hole. When you think of the hull as a pressure vessel needs > more than a patch. Beautiful reply Sir, Are you an engineer On Nov 6, 10:58 am, > Returns to Oz on Monday. > > -- > Read the latest aviation news atwww.newsaviation.com Any new nicknames for her about the place as yet ? But that seems a very fast repair for what looked to be a big job ahead ? > But that seems a very fast repair for what looked to be a big job > ahead ? I was pleased by the fact that I remembered to ask the rather stunned Cathay engineer if he could have it fixed in 30 minutes..... I guess not. SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.newsaviation.com > I was pleased by the fact that I remembered to ask the rather stunned > Cathay engineer if he could have it fixed in 30 minutes..... I guess not. Oh, I'd have paid money to see that! :-D :-) GB SignatureMy friend Steve is an atheist. He has a bumper sticker that reads "Honk if you love Jesus". When someone honks, he gives them the finger. >I was pleased by the fact that I remembered to ask the rather stunned >Cathay engineer if he could have it fixed in 30 minutes..... I guess not. Depends on if you called Boeing; or Domino's... [Domino's is a US chain of almost-inedible delivery cardboard^H^H^H pizza. Their claim to infamy is ads promising "We deliver in 30 minutes or less" leaving the question "Deliver what?"] SignatureA host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 >> But that seems a very fast repair for what looked to be a big job >> ahead ? > > I was pleased by the fact that I remembered to ask the rather stunned > Cathay engineer if he could have it fixed in 30 minutes..... I guess not. How long was it after the incident that the aircraft was "released" by the investigating authorities? I parked it at Avalon last night. Minor stuff to be done, and it should be back in service in a week or so. SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.newsaviation.com >I parked it at Avalon last night. Minor stuff to be done, and it should be >back in service in a week or so. Is this like when you borrow a friend's car for a date, dent it, and have to get it fixed before you drop it off at his house? SignatureA host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 > I parked it at Avalon last night. Minor stuff to be done, and it should be > back in service in a week or so. Is it anything more than a rostering coincidence that you had to fly it? Sylvia. > Is it anything more than a rostering coincidence that you had to fly it? Quite the opposite. It was a result of a request by the FO and myself to be involved (even if only in a non flying role) in the return of the aircraft. As far as I am concerned, that aircraft looked after everyone on board very well. It took a king hit, delivered by what amounts to an accessory, and more or less shrugged it off. So, I feel a soft spot for her, and wanted to be there when she came home. SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.newsaviation.com >> Is it anything more than a rostering coincidence that you had to fly it? >Quite the opposite. It was a result of a request by the FO and myself to >be involved (even if only in a non flying role) in the return of the >aircraft. I applaud your actions, sir... SignatureA host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 Nicely stated JB, I know the feeling. John B >> Is it anything more than a rostering coincidence that you had to fly it? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and more or less shrugged it off. So, I feel a soft spot for her, and > wanted to be there when she came home. > Nicely stated JB, I know the feeling. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> and more or less shrugged it off. So, I feel a soft spot for her, and >> wanted to be there when she came home. But of course you do. John B - John B. OK tounge in cheek >> Is it anything more than a rostering coincidence that you had to fly it? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and more or less shrugged it off. So, I feel a soft spot for her, and > wanted to be there when she came home. Can't argue with that! > I parked it at Avalon last night. Minor stuff to be done, and it should be > back in service in a week or so. Did you fly it from Manila, or just from Sydney to Avalon? BZ!! > Did you fly it from Manila, or just from Sydney to Avalon? From Manila to Avalon. SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.newsaviation.com >> Did you fly it from Manila, or just from Sydney to Avalon? > > From Manila to Avalon. What flight level ?. I am aware it is repaired. > What flight level ?. > I am aware it is repaired. F430 SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.newsaviation.com >> What flight level ?. >> I am aware it is repaired. > > F430 When are you in Melbourne next ? I want you to meet my 11 yo daughter. "SCOOBY" 10% terrier 90% Jack Russell, 100% Lady Cute little Vegemite. > I parked it at Avalon last night. Minor stuff to be done, and it should be > back in service in a week or so. Might be a bit of a delay.. http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24669577-661,00.html A QANTAS 747 involved in the Manila mid-air explosion has crashed into another jumbo while being towed at Avalon Airport. The planes were being towed at the carrier’s Australian heavy maintenance base at Avalon Airport when they crashed into each other about 9.30am this morning. Matt. sh.t. SignatureRead the latest aviation news at www.flight.org > sh.t. It happens. Few more days rest. >> sh.t. > >It happens. >Few more days rest. Poor buggers can't take a trick lately... Coop > sh.t. Are you quoting the driver of the towing vehicle there JB? >> sh.t. > > Are you quoting the driver of the towing vehicle there JB? They usually have "wing walkers" blokes under the tips to show all clear. >>> sh.t. >> >> Are you quoting the driver of the towing vehicle there JB? > >They usually have "wing walkers" blokes under the tips to show all clear. I remember those from the days of the Tiger Moth. We really haven't come all that far in some respects, eh? Coop >sh.t. My sympathies over how folks are treating your aircraft; it deserves better.... SignatureA host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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