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Over Rotation On Takeoff - a growing problem - a growing risk ?

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ventus45 - 31 Jan 2010 14:15 GMT
Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
consequences if the empenage is damaged.
Is the industry too complacent ?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Austrian-Airlines/Boeing-767-3Z9-ER/1646611/L/
Ned - 31 Jan 2010 14:38 GMT
> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
> Is the industry too complacent ?
> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Austrian-Airlines/Boeing-767-3Z9-ER/1646611/L/

Well, since it has already passed inspection in VIE and gone on it's way
back to
China I think you can safely sleep soundly tonight.
BERNIE THE BUNION - 31 Jan 2010 19:54 GMT
Is that plane going up or down.

It looks like it's landing to me.
BernieFlyer - 31 Jan 2010 21:35 GMT
> Is that plane going up or down.
>
> It looks like it's landing to me.

It looks to have takeoff flap setting to me. Landing config would have it
all hanging out so to speak.

Bernie
Atheist Chaplain - 01 Feb 2010 03:17 GMT
> Is that plane going up or down.
>
> It looks like it's landing to me.

you think that's what a heavy looks like when its landing ???
Man that SOME flair......................

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Sylvia Else - 01 Feb 2010 04:52 GMT
> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
> Is the industry too complacent ?
> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Austrian-Airlines/Boeing-767-3Z9-ER/1646611/L/

Can be deadly even without. SQ at Auckland was a close call.

Sylvia.
Graeme Hogan - 01 Feb 2010 10:00 GMT
> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
> Is the industry too complacent ?
> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Austrian-Airlines/Boeing-767-3Z9-ER/1646611/L/

The photo is fake.
It's a 737-800 (winglets and windows).
Trucks are dual rather than single.
Background to clear, should be blurred.
Graeme Hogan - 01 Feb 2010 10:23 GMT
>> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
>> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Trucks are dual rather than single.
> Background to clear, should be blurred.

I stand corrected
Sorry

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Austrian-Airlines/Boeing-767-3Z9-ER/1611382/&sid=
7e935e0d0151f2438cfdf45e2eb38f4e

Stealth Pilot - 01 Feb 2010 11:37 GMT
>>> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
>>> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>http://www.airliners.net/photo/Austrian-Airlines/Boeing-767-3Z9-ER/1611382/&sid=
7e935e0d0151f2438cfdf45e2eb38f4e

when I looked at that the advert was number 1 guide to building
muscle.
now that's fake. same guy with muscles relaxed and muscles tensed.
utterly fake.
sylvia would love it.

Stealth Pilot
Rob - 01 Feb 2010 11:43 GMT
>>> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
>>> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Austrian-Airlines/Boeing-767-3Z9-ER/1611382/&sid=
7e935e0d0151f2438cfdf45e2eb38f4e

The drop shadow under the Logo is interesting - tail and body.
matt weber - 01 Feb 2010 18:47 GMT
>> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
>> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Trucks are dual rather than single.
>Background to clear, should be blurred.

Don't think so.
The registration belongs to a 767-200, and it is possible to equip
those aircraft with winglets. While it has been happening mostly to
-300ER's, I assume there is an approval for -200's as well.

Also notice that the engine nacelles are truly circular, they are
flattened at the bottom on a 737-300/400/500/600/700/800/900

The winglets on the 767 look very similar to the 737's because the
same people designed and built both products.
RMK - 02 Feb 2010 04:55 GMT
> The registration belongs to a 767-200

It's a 767-300.

Dual emergency overwing exits, and it has a tail skid.

That's where the smoke ic coming from!
JB - 02 Feb 2010 22:51 GMT
> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
> Is the industry too complacent ?
> http://www.airliners.net/photo/Austrian-Airlines/Boeing-767-3Z9-ER/1646611/L/

The picture is of a B767-300. This aircraft is fitted with a tail 'bumper'
simply because it is quite prone to tail strikes. On a normal rotate, the
tail comes to around 18" from the ground, and it takes very little more to
actually have it touch the bumper. But, because the bumper is there, it
does no damage to the aircraft, only to the pilot's pride, and the thin
layer of paint that is placed onto the bumper as the 'tell tale'.

Is the industry too complacent? Dunno. It's something that was harped upon
at various times in my training, so I don't think we are. Designers on the
other hand...well, if I were one, I'd put a skid onto everything. It would
have made no difference to Emirates or Singair, but I'm sure there would
be plenty of cases where it could have saved some skin damage. Of course,
the weight gurus would then proceed to remove it, on the basis that you
don't 'really' need it.

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Graeme Hogan - 04 Feb 2010 07:56 GMT
>> Tailstrikes from over rotations on takeoff may have potentially deadly
>> consequences if the empenage is damaged.
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> the weight gurus would then proceed to remove it, on the basis that you
> don't 'really' need it.

Maybe the weight gurus designed the Titanic.
Why fit 32 lifeboats, if you only need 16.
 
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