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Aviation Forum / Country Specific / Australian Group / March 2010Jetstar passengers' plane panic
Jetstar passengers' plane panic http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/jetstar-passengers-plane-panic/story-e6frfq80 -1225827822933 “The pilot tried five times to start the aircraft and the plane wouldn’t start. We were then asked to leave the plane so they could start it manually.” Was that a push start???? > Jetstar passengers' plane panic > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Was that a push start???? Perhaps a kick start.  Signaturehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8 - KRudd at his finest. "The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity. "This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession. "Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more. "By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election. "A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again. "Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr. "SHUT THE f.ck UP YOU DUMB c.nt!" - FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities. "I don't care what you f.ckers think!" - KRudd the KRude Rat at his finest again. "We'll just change it all when we get in." - Garrett the carrott >> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Perhaps a kick start. I just imagined Coop flicking over the fan blades. :) >>> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I just imagined Coop flicking over the fan blades. :) In Canadian geese fashion? ;-) Signaturehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ipvdBnU8F8 - KRudd at his finest. "The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!" - Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity. "This is the recession we had to have!" - Paul Keating explaining why he gave Australia another Labour recession. "Silly old bugger!" - Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more. "By 1990, no child will live in poverty" - Bob Hawke again, desperate to win another election. "A billion trees ..." - Borke, pissed as a newt again. "Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor general!" - Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his appointee for Governor General John Kerr. "SHUT THE f.ck UP YOU DUMB c.nt!" - FlangesBum on learning the truth about Labour's economic capabilities. "I don't care what you f.ckers think!" - KRudd the KRude Rat at his finest again. "We'll just change it all when we get in." - Garrett the carrott >>> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I just imagined Coop flicking over the fan blades. :) They'd never allow it- too much fuel spilt during the priming phase, and the passengers would object if they saw me approaching the engine with a bloody great hammer to loosen up the impulse..... Coop >>>> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > and the passengers would object if they saw me approaching the engine > with a bloody great hammer to loosen up the impulse..... Perhaps you could windmill start it by putting Dorothy in front, full power, brakes on. Dorothy might have to be sitting on a truck. Sylvia. >>>>> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Sylvia. I could be wrong..... but I suspect it would take more than 130hp to get one of those big jets winding over fast enough to start.... Coop Coop wrote... > >Perhaps you could windmill start it by putting Dorothy in front, full > >power, brakes on. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I could be wrong..... but I suspect it would take more than 130hp to > get one of those big jets winding over fast enough to start.... Apologies for the late post, catching up. When we operated a gas fired plant that ran PW FT4C (aero derivative) engines, they had an air driven starter which spun N2 up to 1,800rpm for 30 secs before fuel/ignition. The air supply was a 2 Mpa compressed air system with about 4 air receivers about 3m tall by about 1.5m wide. It had enough reserve to start all 12 engines. The starters that the aircraft use must be beauties, if those engines require similar conditions to enable them to fire and not having to rely on external carts. >Coop wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >similar conditions to enable them to fire and not having to rely on external >carts. Actually you can calculate what it takes based upon the 787 electrical requirements. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/787electrical.pdf says you need 180kVA. If you assume a 100% power factor (unlikely) and 100% efficiency (you can get close) 180,000/746=241 hp for a 65,000 pound thrust class engine. >>Coop wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >180,000/746=241 hp for a 65,000 pound thrust class engine. Q E D :-) Coop Who remembers that the B707 had provision for a "manual start"? (Details if you are interested). And talking about Dorothy being used for a windmill start, my station engineer told us of how he had to start a Britannia by parking a DC4 in front of it and running it up to full power. ..................................Bill >> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Perhaps a kick start. >The pilot tried five times to start the aircraft and the plane >wouldn't start. We were then asked to leave the plane so they could >start it manually. >Was that a push start???? And was it the passengers doing the pushing? SignatureA host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 >Jetstar passengers' plane panic > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Was that a push start???? Maybe a "Zip" start like on lawn mowers, I could just imagine the F.O. out under the wing pulling on a wooden toggle attached to a length of cord....... Maybe the could get Julia Gillard to suck on the hot end........or blow hot air in the front end........ >> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > out under the wing pulling on a wooden toggle attached to a length of > cord....... That was a technique used on DC3s in PNG. Wind rope round prop shaft, attach to ute and drive off, hoping the rope didn't get snagged and wind you back in when engine started. AA > hoping the rope didn't get snagged and wind > you back in when engine started. Did that ever actually happen, to the extent that the ute hit the prop? Sylvia >>> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >you back in when engine started. >AA This I gotta see. Surely someone's taken a picture of this method? Coop >>>> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Coop I'd love to see it as well - told to me by a couple of Flight Service Officers that worked in PNG - I don't think they were winding me up. AA >>>> Jetstar passengers' plane panic >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Coop There's a story about that scenario starting a DC-3 in Winton(QLD) many years ago. The normal service guy was on holidays, and the fill-in wasnt all that comfortable with the whole idea. Pilot talked him into it, as it would save them all a lot of stuffing around and delays. Fill-in was concentrating so hard; looking over his shoulder while driving away at speed, that he drove the ute into a shed. Pilot noticed this debarcle, noticed that he now had a running engne, started the other one, and took off before anyone could ask him any questions. Cannot remember if this was TAA or not. Cheers, Rod. ------- Cheers, Rod...Out Back For a round-up of the pics I have taken the past 24 months, take a look at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rod_outback/ ------- There was a case at Edwards where Tex Johnson taxied a F-86 in front of another aircraft to get it going... SignatureA host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 > Jetstar passengers' plane panic > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Was that a push start???? Rob Just back in oz (at last) But see the press still uses words like panic etc . When the fact is an APU just went belly up . She seems a decent lass by all reports (and its a hard gig I agree) Perhaps we could all write to her to assist her learning curve in a freindly & professional manner . Thus increasing the standard or reporting that tends to get up our noses. Thus its up to us to help them acquire the tools . Good Journo mate (yes I do actually have some Journo mates (he is a well known finance reporter Knows this lass and states that she is a good hand and will listen .Whether she is allowed to report in a decent style with her current employer is another matter . Here is the offending Journo http://twitter.com/SchneiderK However, she did many people a favour by this bit. HIGHLY commendable http://blogs.news.com.au/news/yoursay/index.php/news/comments/are_you_colour_blind/ Admire this bit from one of her "lists" " News.com.au travel reporter. I love the beach, sun, art and exploring new places." |
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