Looking for a good set of parasol plans
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Mike Gaskins - 18 Dec 2006 19:02 GMT I'm looking for a good set of parasol plans that would be reasonably easy to follow for a first time builder. I don't really care about speed or cross country capability - just something to putz around the pattern and sight-see. I'm thinking that tube and fabric would be my preferred materials (low cost and high strength), but I'm open to any suggestions. Single or double place is fine. Most of the people who would go flying with me wouldn't do so in an open cockpit plane anyways, so a second seat would usually sit empty :).
The two designs that have initially peeked my interest are the Pober Pixie and the Starlet SA500. I've also looked at the Baby Ace. Anybody have any opinions on these plans in regards to ease of construction for a first timer?
Also I doubt I'd have the space to complete the whole wing in one piece, so extra points if the wing can be built in sections.
Thanks.
Mike Gaskins
Anthony W - 18 Dec 2006 19:29 GMT > I'm looking for a good set of parasol plans that would be reasonably > easy to follow for a first time builder. I don't really care about [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Mike Gaskins Look here. http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/ The Pietenpol Aircamper has a reputation that's hard to beat.
Tony
veeduber@isp.com - 18 Dec 2006 22:45 GMT > I'm looking for a good set of parasol plans that would be reasonably > easy to follow for a first time builder. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Mike,
Then by all means, start with the Wag-Aero Cub and work your way down.
Wag-Aero offers an excellent set of plans at a very fair price, allowing you to study the standard against which all other parasols have been judged for the last 60 years. If you decide to go with the Cub you will have the option of buying those components you feel are best left to a more experienced fabricator, reserving the easier but more labor-intensive tasks for yourself.
Should you decide the Cub is more airplane than you need (it isn't, but for the sake of argument...) then you will have a basis on which judge other designs.
As for the engine, there's far more of them out there than most folks realize, for despite all talk to the contrary our numbers continue to fall and the smaller, older engines continue to become available, often at give-away prices.
-R.S.Hoover
Ed Sullivan - 19 Dec 2006 01:53 GMT >As for the engine, there's far more of them out there than most folks >realize, for despite all talk to the contrary our numbers continue to >fall and the smaller, older engines continue to become available, often >at give-away prices. > >-R.S.Hoover By definition a Cub couldn't really be described as a parasol, a high winged monoplane yes.
Richard Isakson - 19 Dec 2006 02:39 GMT > >As for the engine, there's far more of them out there than most folks > >realize, for despite all talk to the contrary our numbers continue to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > By definition a Cub couldn't really be described as a parasol, a high > winged monoplane yes. I don't know Ed. Haven't you ever flown a J-3 with the door open and the window down? That's got to be pretty close to a parasol.
Rich
flybynightkarmarepair - 19 Dec 2006 05:21 GMT > >As for the engine, there's far more of them out there than most folks > >realize, for despite all talk to the contrary our numbers continue to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > By definition a Cub couldn't really be described as a parasol, a high > winged monoplane yes. The change from a Parasol of the A-2/E-2 to the "razorback" J-2 was merely cosmetic. You can very easily build a parasol from the Wag Aero plans by omitting the upper fairingof the aft fuselage WITH NO STRUCTURAL CONSEQUENCES.
http://www.goldenageair.org/collection/1932taylore2.htm I say that is a parasol. A Super Cub has, for all intents and purposes, the same structure, but with a non-structural cosmetic fairing on the fuselage.
Bob's point was the quality of the plans. Other points I'll add are wide availability of pre-made parts.
Another design the original poster might think about: Stewart Headwind. And the steel tube fuselage version of the Piet, the Grega Gn-1 (well, there is a wood version too, you chose) is set up to use A-65 engines, and wings from whatever air-knocker is hanging around the hanger. The GN-1 is also set up to use a lot of pre-made parts from Piper Cubs, allowing you to trade money for build time, if you've got more of the former than the later.
http://www.stewartaircraft.com/main.html http://www.gregagn-1.com/index.php
Mike Gaskins - 19 Dec 2006 14:16 GMT > Then by all means, start with the Wag-Aero Cub and work your way down. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -R.S.Hoover The Wag-Aero Super Trainer looks kinda interesting (who wouldn't want a Super Cub and if I'm building a tube and fabric plane from scratch anyways . . . :)), but their website looks moreso to be selling lots of component kits. I've ordered the catalog so maybe that'll have something additional, but I wasn't actually able to locate a plans set anywhere on there.
Mike Gaskins
veeduber@isp.com - 19 Dec 2006 18:02 GMT > The Wag-Aero Super Trainer looks kinda interesting... but their website looks moreso to be selling lots of > component kits.... I wasn't actually able to locate a plans set > anywhere on there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Mike,
Don't give up so easily :-)
If you go to Wag-Aero's 'on-line' catalog, look for Sport Trainer (or whatever) you'll get a list of 44 items, one of which is the DRAWINGS. Their catalog number is Q-001-000, price is $125. And yes, you really CAN build your very own Super Cub, should you wish to do so. :-)
However, since a lot of people already hold drawings for the Cuby, Sport Trainer, et al, you can probably find a set to study within your local EAA chapter. Making up a couple of test-ribs is always fun and even if you elect not to build, they look good on the wall of the hangar. The real key is the engine. Find a suitable engine and you're half-way home.
I should mention here that yes, the Cub has flown behind a BIG VW conversion... but not very well. A big-bore stroker such as an 84 x 94 (142cid) is a close match to the Lycoming O-145 (which many people will literally GIVE you to get rid of them) but simply does not have the low-rpm torque needed for this type of airframe. Ditto for the little 1834cc conversions, which are a close match for the A-40a (ie, 112cid). Basically, you'll end up with a single-place Cub having a minuscule ROC that needs its valves topped every 200 hours. Cheap, but you can't fly it off floats, haul a heavy, etc.
The best part of the joke is that unless you are up to your elbows in old Volkswagens, rebuilding a run-out O-200 will usually cost LESS than building up a RELIABLE good big-bore stroker :-)
Either way, you've got some fun ahead of you. Good luck with it.
-R.S.Hoover
Mike Gaskins - 19 Dec 2006 18:30 GMT > I should mention here that yes, the Cub has flown behind a BIG VW > conversion... but not very well. A big-bore stroker such as an 84 x 94 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Either way, you've got some fun ahead of you. Good luck with it. Sounds like fun :). I've actually been very interested in the idea of using one of the Corvair conversions in a plane for a long time. I'll likely hold off a bit on engine choice until I have a good semblance of an airplane built, but these engines usually give 110-115 hp which should be rather nice for a Cub airframe.
Mike Gaskins
Gig 601XL Builder - 19 Dec 2006 20:37 GMT > Sounds like fun :). I've actually been very interested in the idea of > using one of the Corvair conversions in a plane for a long time. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Mike Gaskins If you want to go Corvair and you haven't checked out www.flycorvair.com you need to.
Scott - 19 Dec 2006 18:28 GMT Me! I think a Cessna 180 would be 3 times the airplane for about the same or 1.5 times the cost of a "Super" Cub :) Personal preference I suppose ;)
Scott
> The Wag-Aero Super Trainer looks kinda interesting (who wouldn't want a > Super Cub and if I'm building a tube and fabric plane from scratch > anyways . . . > > Mike Gaskins Fortunat1 - 24 Jan 2007 04:10 GMT > I'm looking for a good set of parasol plans that would be reasonably > easy to follow for a first time builder. You'd be very hard pressed to do better than the Pober Pixie or Baby Ace if you want a single seater. I have a set of each and the Pixie in particular makes a very good and inexpensive project. Care has been taken to save cost without any compromise in engineering standards. For instance, the drag wires are cable eliminating the need for tie rods and their expense. The airplane is extremely pretty and of course is a classic in that it's an updated Heath Parasol. At the end of the day you have a proper airplane, (as opposed to a large model airplane) that will last and last. And for a two seater, the Junior ace is just as good. I prefer the lines of the original '30s airplanes, but there's not a lot of difference in the updated versions except a different rudder outline, truth be told. Piet's are great too! Friend of mine started one when he was only 14 and eventually finished it.. I can't imagine how i'd get in or out of the front pit now, though...
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