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My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't believe that. CFI's please commet... > My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time > and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't > believe that. > > CFI's please commet... Not often, but it does happen. > My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time > and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't > believe that. > > CFI's please commet... This is true. It should be obvious that it is true. There are some people who should not or who cannot be pilots. Usually these people have medical or psychological issues. Some people have health problems that prevent them from getting into an airplane at all. There are some heart conditions, for example, that require medications that have bad effects above a few thousand feet. Even riding in an airplane could kill such a person. It does not take a lot of intelligence to learn to handle the controls of an airplane. A chimpanzee could probably do most of it. But acting as pilot in command requires a minimum level of intelligence and judgment that some people simply do not have. One of the responsibilities of a CFI is to keep people like that from learning to fly. I have had students who have displayed such poor judgment that eventually I have had to tell them that I cannot continue to instruct them. It is heartbreaking, because we all love flying and want to share the joy of flying with everyone we meet. But the fact is, there are some people you do not want at the controls of an airplane. These people are usually reckless or heedless personalities. Some people are, not to put too fine a point on it, too stupid to fly.  SignatureWaddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor On Sep 18, 6:59 am, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time > > and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Waddling Eagle > World Famous Flight Instructor How soon you let them know they are not fit for flying? Let me put it in another way How soon as an Instructor you will find out that person is not capable of flying? How much time you spend with them before telling them that. > On Sep 18, 6:59 am, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > out that person is not capable of flying? > How much time you spend with them before telling them that. With any competent instructor, it should be apparent within the first few hours of exposure o a new student. If the issues are obvious and show up in the initial interviews, the student should be told at that point. If the instructor notices something in the interviews that MIGHT be a disqualifying factor , the instructor should commence the dual phase with the objective of either eliminating whatever was noticed or confirming that the problem indeed exists. Usually, any good CFI can make this judgment easily during the initial dual stage. In all cases, judgment should be made in a minimum of time and involving a minimum of expense to the student. DH > How soon you let them know they are not fit for flying? > Let me put it in another way How soon as an Instructor you will find > out that person is not capable of flying? > How much time you spend with them before telling them that. Any honest instructor will not let a student get beyond the 2nd or 3rd lesson without first getting a medical. Its immoral to milk money from a student before you know if he is medically able to fly. I have a friend who spent $15,000 on helicopter lessons only to find out that he couldn't get a medical the day before he was suppose to solo. -robert, CFII > How soon you let them know they are not fit for flying? > Let me put it in another way How soon as an Instructor you will find > out that person is not capable of flying? > How much time you spend with them before telling them that. I try to find out whether a student is able to get a medical before the first lesson, during the initial interview. If I see an issue I will tell him about it then. Some students are dishonest and try to conceal medical problems, addictions, and other problems. However, you should be able to tell what a person is like within a few hours of flying with him. I have seen instructors who have been burned by students who are just plain reckless and dishonest. These are the students who will sneak a passenger onto a plane when they are supposed to be solo, fly to unauthorized airports, log time they do not have, etc. I am not sure how a creep like that manages to get so far in his training -- but I guess anybody can be fooled once in awhile. It is not as if I can claim that no one has ever taken advantage of me, after all (in business, not as an instructor). But if a student treats me like that, not only will I drop him, but when his new instructor calls and asks me about him (as a new instructor should), I will tell the new instructor why I dropped him. I remember an examiner who told me about a student who modified his temporary certificate after his private pilot check ride to say that he was a commercial pilot. He did it so that he could show it off to girls. When I hear a story like that, I have to ask: Did not anyone know he was like this before he ever took a check ride? Well, okay, he was young and maybe it was a one-time lapse in judgment. Maybe. SignatureWaddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor > My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time > and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't > believe that. > > CFI's please commet... Basically the statement is factual although reading the way it's worded leaves me with the feeling that some clarification might be indicated. Although it's true that there are various factors that would disqualify a specific individual as being able to become a safe and competent pilot, it should also be stated in the same sentence that these factors should be picked up IMMEDIATELY by any competent flight instructor interviewing a potential student. I mention this to clarify the inclusion of time and money into the equation as presented here. There is absolutely no reason why any individual should be subjected to a lengthly and costly process before these things are revealed as disqualifying. It's part of an instructor's responsibility to ascertain correctly and quickly during the interview and possibly the initial post interview initial dual phase, and as well on an ongoing basis, whether or not a specific student has the potential to continue instruction. I will say this as well; in the 50 odd years I've been involved in flight safety and instruction I've seen only a few instances where an individual needed to be discouraged from flying. On Sep 18, 1:04 am, Jay <med...@gmail.com> wrote: > My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time > and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't > believe that. > > CFI's please commet... Basically the statement is factual although reading the way it's worded leaves me with the feeling that some clarification might be indicated. ------------------------------------------------------------- You seem to suffer from this problem quite often. > My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time > and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't > believe that. > > CFI's please commet... Not a CFI but a comment. Absolutely. However, the characteristics should be soooooo obvious that any decent CFI should pick up on them nearly instantaneously. Over exaggerated self-worth, feelings of immortality, risk taking for no reason. And blind, blind won't work. >> My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time >> and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And blind, blind won't work. Don't forget Cows. Cows should not be allowed to be PIC ;-) I think here I need to give some clarification. After Reading my story Let me know what I am missing as a student. After flying 85+ hours (just with in three months) with a student as an instructor would you say that? Education: I am an Engineering graduate and Stanford Certified Project Manager with several other certifications. I wrote my FAA airmen knowledge test and got 95%. I am really good in Mathematics. Reasons for Flying: Flying is my passion it is not for my bread and butter. . Motor Skills. I learned car driving ( first time touching wheel to getting License) with in a week. I have very clean driving history( 15 year) not even a small remark. I drive 5miles below the max speed limit. I will be more cautious when I am driving some body. Health: I have a perfect health by gods grace. I don’t even ware glasses. No known health issues. No allergies. Its been long time ago I took any kind of medication. I don’t smoke or drink. Not over weight or under weight. Metal Condition: I am always cautious, clear definitely. Not risk taking person. Try to be reasonable. Don’t like conflicts and there should be a good reason if I am confronting with any body. I do my home work before I start any thing and love to do hard work all the time to keep myself very active. People who know me say that I am a responsible person. I consider myself organized and disciplined. Pilot training: So far I have 85+ hours on Cessna 172 S model in my Log book. 140 hours Instructor time. Read FAR/AIM several times. Enjoy reading the sectional/ Terminal Charts. Completed all requirements for Practical test except solo cross county ( I could not do it because I did not get the endorsement) I am excellent in o Pre flight planning (including cross country , weight and balance, landing and take off distances) o Pre flight inspection o Taxing/ run up procedure o Take offs (soft field and short field) o Climbs descents with and without turns o Airport traffic pattern including entry and departure procedure o Collision avoidance o Flight at various speeds from cruise to slow flight o Wind shear avoidance and wake turbulence o Lost procedures. o Pilatage and dead reckoning. o Shallow to medium turns ( I enjoy 30 degree turns) o I have prepared my own checklist minimums to fly. I am good in o Ground reference maneuvers o Stall entry and recovery ( both approach and departure) o Steep turns o Landings I need little more practice in o Emergency procedure including equipment malfunction (theatrically I understand but Practicality missing) o Slips to landing o Approaches to a landing with simulated malfunction. o Overall I need fine tuning on landings What else DO you expect from a student? What am I missing here? > I think here I need to give some clarification. After Reading my > story Let me know what I am missing as a student. After flying 85+ [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > What else DO you expect from a student? What am I missing here? By the way I forgot to tell you that I was his second student. First one still struggling to get his PPL, He has been trying since last year. I think my biggest mistake is not selecting an experienced instructor. >By the way I forgot to tell you that I was his second student. First >one still struggling to get his PPL, He has been trying since last >year. >I think my biggest mistake is not selecting an experienced instructor. So switch instructors. It is common for student pilots to go through several instructors, for various reasons. It sounds like you are making good progress in your training. You mentioned Stanford in your long post, so if you are local, I know several good instructors at Palo Alto Airport. John SignatureJohn Clear - jac@panix.com http://www.clear-prop.org/ > In article <23d3194c-6428-4fa2-8563-c41b8a8a3...@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > John Clear - j...@panix.com http://www.clear-prop.org/ I am right now in Seattle. I work for Boeing. I was getting training from Boeing Employee flying association. I am searching for another instructor. I just need another four to five hours instructor time. Now I am not confident that I was taught properly every thing to be a safe pilot. New instructor needs to figure out where exactly I am and find the problamatic areas and then provide training. > > In article <23d3194c-6428-4fa2-8563-c41b8a8a3...@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > safe pilot. New instructor needs to figure out where exactly I am and > find the problamatic areas and then provide training. Go over to Boeing and seek out Bruce Williams at Galvins. He is an excellent instructor, wrote a couple of books about simulation, ex- Microsoftie. Let him put in an hour with you and give you his assessment. Bob Gardner >>> In article <23d3194c-6428-4fa2-8563-c41b8a8a3...@g17g2000prg.googlegrou > ps.com>, [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Bob Gardner An excellent recommendation. SignatureWaddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor > I think here I need to give some clarification. After Reading my > story Let me know what I am missing as a student. After flying 85+ [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > What else DO you expect from a student? What am I missing here? Jay; It's unclear if the issue you have put forth is about yourself and what you have been told by an instructor or if your initial question was a hypothetical. Can you expand a bit ? > > I think here I need to give some clarification. After Reading my > > story Let me know what I am missing as a student. After flying 85+ [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > - Show quoted text - This is all about me. I was told by my instructor I will not be a pilot when I tried to change him. I would have respected his advise if had told me that with in 20 to30 hours of flying. But he told me that after 85+ hours, and spending 13000$$. When I try to get endorsement for solo cross country, My instructor estimated I need another 20+ hours of training or practice. I am confident I am doing well, I just need little bit more practice to be in the PTS level. I went couple of cross country trips already. I did not want to go another dual cross country because I am almost dried up my finances. I paid my instructor hello to good bye. In that situation I confronted with him. As an instructor how many Xcounties you advise. By the way I am really good in X-country planning. The two planning I did was excellent, time wise. > > > I think here I need to give some clarification. After Reading my > > > story Let me know what I am missing as a student. After flying 85+ [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > good in X-country planning. The two planning I did was excellent, time > wise. Jay; There are several things involved here. First of all, there should have been absolutely no reason whatsoever considering any issues you might have that would impede your progress that this problem should have gone on this long. As per my initial remarks, any competent instructor should be monitoring your progress on a continuing basis. If you have any issues at all that would preclude your progressing further with your training, these issues should have been discovered and dealt with long before now. Now all this having been said, YOU as the student are unfortunately not in a position to evaluate your own progress. I know that's hard to swallow, but it's true. You need someone outside the box to take a look and do an impartial evaluation. The answer to your problem lies in taking the issue to a totally new flight school (hence new instructors out of your present loop) and asking them after giving them all the data you have given here on this thread, to have one of their CFI's fly with you for the EXPRESS PURPOSE of equating your actual performance with your perceived performance level at the other school. Unfortunately there's no easy solution to things like this when they happen. As I said, if you are indeed as lacking in performance as they state, in my opinion they have taken WAY too long to make this evaluation. It could be poor instruction and incompetent instruction, but, and I hate to tell you this, with 85 hours in the air, I have questions about leaning in this direction. You can literally teach yourself to fly in 85 hours. My guess is that you might have some issues specific to flying that are holding you back. Whatever those issues are, the instructors you are flying with might not be dealing with them correctly. You need an outside the box opinion. I suggest you do this immediately. It shouldn't take more than an hour's dual with a good CFI from another location. DH > > > > I think here I need to give some clarification. After Reading my > > > > story Let me know what I am missing as a student. After flying 85+ [quoted text clipped - 135 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for the advise. That's what exactly I am going to do. I just got email from another instructor who is willing to help me. Even I want to know whether I am in an illusion that I am doing well. > > > > > I think here I need to give some clarification. After Reading my > > > > > story Let me know what I am missing as a student. After flying 85+ [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] > got email from another instructor who is willing to help me. Even I > want to know whether I am in an illusion that I am doing well. Jay; If it means anything, I have a feeling you're not doing all that badly, and that with someone new taking a look at the situation, you will have this little "plateau" back on the road in no time. This means that even if the problem is you, I don't see it as being that serious based on what you have related here. Best to you DH > > > > > > I think here I need to give some clarification. After Reading my > > > > > > story Let me know what I am missing as a student. After flying 85+ [quoted text clipped - 151 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thank you. I am not going to quit at this point. First I will find out where I am and decide what to do next. On Sep 18, 4:05 pm, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote: > On Sep 18, 7:00 pm, Jay <med...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 186 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thank you. I am not going to quit at this point. First I will find out where I am and decide what to do next. ------------------------------------------------------------- Find a new local instructor, and get a professional second opinion. This guy Dudley is just rattling to anyone that will answer. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Find a new local instructor, and get a professional second opinion. > > This guy Dudley is just rattling to anyone that will answer. Sheesh, Dudley. This guy must be in Love with you! ... "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" - Hamlet Act 3, scene 2 :-) > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > :-) My shadow :-) He might want a date, but this week I'm full up with yard work. :-))) >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > yard work. > :-))) The thing is, Dudley, we all know who you are. Who does "Mick" think he is? SignatureWaddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor On Sep 19, 1:38 pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------- > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Waddling Eagle > World Famous Flight Instructor Hi CJ; As far as I can determine, I picked up this "Usenet shadow" a while back in a thread where I had the gall to suggest he was wrong about something; I think it was something about barrel rolls but I'm not even sure at this point. Ever since then it's been what you see here. The funny part is that he tries desperately to get my goat with the most idiotic and moronic nonsense you can imagine. Most of the time I just either let it pass or come on back with some neutral reply that drives the guy nuts :-) I guess it's all part and parcel of the Usenet experience. My wife thinks he's a hoot. She swears that totally leaving him alone is the best way to deal with him and she's probably right. Every time he inserts himself, it's always non-aviation and personal. Sooner or later people catch on to him so he digs it deeper for himself each time he posts. My wife's pretty smart. I should follow her advice more often :-)) Dudley > My wife's pretty smart. I should follow her advice more often :-)) > Dudley Isn't she the one that makes you do the yard work? Maybe there's something to that :-) SignatureMark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot Cal Aggie Flying Farmers Sacramento, CA > > My wife's pretty smart. I should follow her advice more often :-)) > > Dudley [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Cal Aggie Flying Farmers > Sacramento, CA You've broken the code :-)) Any woman who can get ME to do yard work for 45 years HAS to be smart! Actually, I'm pretty smart too. I married her!! DH "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message news:61631d9e-945d-4241-a7b0- Hi CJ; As far as I can determine, I picked up this "Usenet shadow" a while back in a thread where I had the gall to suggest he was wrong about something; I think it was something about barrel rolls but I'm not even sure at this point. Ever since then it's been what you see here. The funny part is that he tries desperately to get my goat with the most idiotic and moronic nonsense you can imagine. Most of the time I just either let it pass or come on back with some neutral reply that drives the guy nuts :-) I guess it's all part and parcel of the Usenet experience. My wife thinks he's a hoot. She swears that totally leaving him alone is the best way to deal with him and she's probably right. Every time he inserts himself, it's always non-aviation and personal. Sooner or later people catch on to him so he digs it deeper for himself each time he posts. My wife's pretty smart. I should follow her advice more often :-)) Dudley ----------------------------------------------------------------------- No, I just got tire of your continuous use of the Usenet, to stroke your own ego. You're not here to promote flying, you are here to promote yourself as some kind of aviation legend. Just like your cousin Bertie. > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message > No, I just got tire of your continuous use of the Usenet, to stroke your own > ego. > > You're not here to promote flying, you are here to promote yourself as some > kind of aviation legend. Just like your cousin Bertie. There are two elements of this discussion: 1) Dudley, who has people out here who ask him questions, who enjoy reading his comments and who appreciate his advice. 2) Mick, who appears to bear a grudge, offers nothing useful and, to be blunt, sounds like a total jackass who serves no purpose here except himself. I don't think Mick should attempt a popularity contest to see which of the two of them should leave the newsgroup. | > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message | [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] | I don't think Mick should attempt a popularity contest to see which of | the two of them should leave the newsgroup. I'm not here for a popularity contest. I come here to read about aviation, and post on rare occasions. Problem is, we have too many idiots trying to be the star of the aviation groups, instead of humble contributors. > | > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > | [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Problem is, we have too many idiots trying to be the star of the aviation > groups, instead of humble contributors. Yes, this is EXACTLY the way I would describe the situation :-) > | > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > | [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Problem is, we have too many idiots trying to be the star of the aviation > groups, instead of humble contributors. This would be EXACTLY my read on the situation :-))) On Sep 23, 7:13 pm, "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote: > "gatt" <g...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Problem is, we have too many idiots trying to be the star of the aviation > groups, instead of humble contributors. This would be EXACTLY my read on the situation :-))) -------------------------------------------- So STFU. > I'm not here for a popularity contest. I come here to read about aviation, > and post on rare occasions. > > Problem is, we have too many idiots trying to be the star of the aviation > groups, instead of humble contributors. Nobody's interested in your opinion of whether somebody's an idiot or a humble contributor. But, you are certainly encouraged to STFU and show us how well you lead by example. | > I'm not here for a popularity contest. I come here to read about aviation, | > and post on rare occasions. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | But, you are certainly encouraged to STFU and show us how well you lead | by example. That's the problem, dumb a.s. We ALL have to make room for everyone else's opinion, or the Usenet will always suffer. > "gatt" <gatt@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote in message > That's the problem, dumb a.s. We ALL have to make room for everyone else's > opinion, Really? Then see if you can figure this out: *plonk* > > "gatt" <g...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote in message > > That's the problem, dumb a.s. We ALL have to make room for everyone else's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > *plonk* Notice in the postings above on this thread where he answered a post of mine saying simply, "so STFU". No big deal or anything new here of course :-)) but now go below to his next post to you where he gives you a one sentence "lecture" on the proper way to view Usenet. He posts to you; "That's the problem, dumb a.s. We ALL have to make room for everyone else's opinion, or the Usenet will always suffer. " So he makes two posts one right after the other; the first telling one person to STFU, and the other that we have to make room for everyone's opinion on Usenet :-)) Interesting study in personality. Amusing as hell actually :-)))) DH On Sep 25, 12:02 pm, gatt <g...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote: > Mick wrote: > > "gatt" <g...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > *plonk* Notice in the postings above on this thread where he answered a post of mine saying simply, "so STFU". No big deal or anything new here of course :-)) but now go below to his next post to you where he gives you a one sentence "lecture" on the proper way to view Usenet. He posts to you; "That's the problem, dumb a.s. We ALL have to make room for everyone else's opinion, or the Usenet will always suffer. " So he makes two posts one right after the other; the first telling one person to STFU, and the other that we have to make room for everyone's opinion on Usenet :-)) Interesting study in personality. Amusing as hell actually :-)))) DH ------------------------------------------------------------------- I have no problem with your opinions, just the mannor in which you express them, or the way you disagree with others who don't accept them. > On Sep 25, 12:02 pm, gatt <g...@livefromtheclocktower2008.us> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > I have no problem with your opinions, just the mannor in which you express > them, or the way you disagree with others who don't accept them. Please post an example of what you have just said so I and others might comment on it. Fair enough for you? On Sep 25, 2:31 pm, "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote: > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > I have no problem with your opinions, just the mannor in which you express > them, or the way you disagree with others who don't accept them. Please post an example of what you have just said so I and others might comment on it. Fair enough for you? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry, but I don't know how to make it any clearer. > On Sep 25, 2:31 pm, "Mick" <#$$#@%%%.^^^> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Sorry, but I don't know how to make it any clearer. Obviously! In article <07c94381-c791-46db-b952-9ffcac2c44d0@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > yard work. > :-))) See? There *are* worse things than yard work. On Sep 19, 9:14 pm, Steve Hix <se...@NOSPAMspeakeasy.netINVALID> wrote: > In article > <07c94381-c791-46db-b952-9ffcac2c4...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > See? There *are* worse things than yard work. As Jack Benny once said in a skit when a robber stuck a gun in his ribs and shouted "Your money or your life" Benny replied, "I'm THINKING....I'm THINKING!!!!" :-) > Motor Skills. > I learned car driving ( first time touching wheel to getting License) > with in a week. > I have very clean driving history( 15 year) not even a small remark. I > drive 5miles below the max speed limit. I will be more cautious when I > am driving some body. You may be too cautious. I don't know of anyone who drives 5 mph below the speed limit on a regular basis. As I understand it, for safest driving you should be traveling at the same speed as most of the cars near you. As a recent CFI told me: "Loosen up!" > I need little more practice in ... > o Slips to landing Yeah, me too. And I'm training in gliders where that is an important maneuver to execute cleanly! > o Overall I need fine tuning on landings Me too. > What else DO you expect from a student? What am I missing here? As a fellow student, I suggest getting a second CFI. I've flown with two CFIs because the first suggested I fly with a second for a few flights! >> What else DO you expect from a student? What am I missing here? > > As a fellow student, I suggest getting a second CFI. I've flown with two > CFIs because the first suggested I fly with a second for a few flights! I want to second this strongly and suggest the possibility of trying even more than one. I'm not a CFI, and not even a student anymore, although it was still recent enough to remember well. I learned in a club environment (also in gliders) and as such ended up flying with a bunch of different instructors. I had a primary instructor who I flew with exclusively until a couple of weeks before I soloed and still flew with most of the time afterwards. But I also flew with about half a dozen other instructors and every one of them taught me something new and gave me a different perspective on things. I think it's very important to have a single (good) instructor through early training to keep things consistent and simple, but as you become more capable, getting different perspectives can be really helpful. I've naturally flown with even more instructors in more places since passing my checkride and they've always taught me new things. SignatureMike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon >> Motor Skills. >> I learned car driving ( first time touching wheel to getting License) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > As a recent CFI told me: "Loosen up!" I had a student like that. One day he told me that some days he feels like a wigwam. Others he feels like teepee. That was his problem right there. He was two tents! SignatureWaddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor > I need little more practice in > o Emergency procedure including equipment malfunction (theatrically I > understand *snicker* ;> > What else DO you expect from a student? What am I missing here? At this point it sounds like you should try a different instructor. It's possible that the one you have isn't teaching effectively. -c >CFI's please commet... I'm not a CFI, but I knew a guy like this when I was doing my PPL training. From all outward appearances he was a reasonably intelligent guy, but for some reason, when he sat in the left seat of an airplane, all common sense and good judgement flew out the window. I rode in the backseat with him during some bounce and go dual training. For some reason, he couldn't translate the CFI's instructions into actions. It was like the CFI was talking to a wall. He just made the same basic mistakes over and over. At the time of this flight, he had accumulated over 150 hrs. pre-solo with all 5 instructors at the FBO and had been told by most of them that he should throw in the towel. He hung on for another 50 hrs. and then finally gave it up. It was kind of sad to see that happen. The guy was obviously motivated to become a pilot and had done very well with the book learning aspects. He just couldn't apply anything he'd learned to the actual operation of the airplane. John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180) Yes.. sadly but yes.. but not because he could not fly. I had a student who's primary problem was "rationalization", and a self inflating ego that he thought he was more capable than the demonstration of his skills would indicate. He held a Private Pilot Airplane rating and was attempting the Glider Add-on rating. We (instructors) would routinely have to reel him in, and work with him, when some thing did not go right, he would have an excuse.. more cross wind than he thought,.. the wind shifted... etc.. When it came time for a check ride.. he developed a fixation that he did not know the material. He knew it, but he could not trust himself that he knew it. He got through the oral portion of the exam ok. When it came time for the no spoiler approach to landing, he could not successfully complete the maneuver he had done countless times. We (3) instructors worked with him for a month, approximately 30 traffic patterns, and he could not successfully complete the maneuver twice in a row. He had convinced himself that he could not do it. He psyched himself out. He would concentrate on the slip and loose track of his traffic pattern and be too low to get back to the runway, he would concentrate on the runway and he would loose control of the slip. Then he would rationalize as to how it was not his fault. He never attempted the re-take of his check ride. BT > My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time > and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't > believe that. > > CFI's please commet... > My instructor told me that some people how hard they try how much time > and money they spent they can't be pilots. Is that true? I don't > believe that. > > CFI's please commet... Jay That is a true statement. But how do YOU qualify a pilot? What is your idea? Someone who has soloed, or someone who is now PIC in a 747? I just passed 6,000 hours as a flight instructor over the past 40+ years and have had a number of people I told were not fit either physically or emotionally to be safe pilots. There are some who simply can't put the skills together required to be a pilot no matter how hard they want it. I wish I had the answer for those who have the desire but not the necessary ability. In our program we can see those who will stumble and struggle usually within the first 6 hours. When that happens we usually assign one of the senior instructors to work with them to see if they fix or find the problem/s. In the perhaps 10% who fail or drop out of the program, maybe half of them could possibly qualify or pass the flight checks if they had a lot more time. I have flown with a number of civilian students who simply didn't have the proper motivation or desire to do what it takes to get a pilot license. I would normally discuss it with them and find out what the problem was and be frank about it. I even have a few right now who know they don't have the "stuff" to be a pilot and still hire me to give them dual instruction just so they can go up and enjoy flying. It isn't really much different than becoming a professional in any given field that requires both education and physical skills to qualify. Contrary to popular opinion, flying is NOT the safe nor easy thing to do and not everyone can do it. Ol S&B |
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