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Jay - 19 Sep 2008 03:40 GMT
Thanks for your responses for my previous posting on Instructors.

Here is another question for CFIs.

Who is your “near ideal student"?  What qualifications do you expect
from them?
What do you think a Student should do (home work) before they come for
flying lessons?

As a matter of fact I have lot of respect for instructors. In future I
may be a pilot if every thing works out. But definitely I will not be
an instructor.
Robert M. Gary - 20 Sep 2008 16:37 GMT
> Who is your “near ideal student"?  What qualifications do you expect
> from them?
> What do you think a Student should do (home work) before they come for
> flying lessons?

One of the more frustrating things for me as a CFI is the soled
student who doesn't fly solo. Once a student is solo we go out and
introduce maneuvers that the student is expected to practice on his
own. Many times I'll find that the student has almost no solo in his
log. The syllabus I use will spell out solo flights between
instructional flight and includes objectives, goals, etc. That just
means that I need to sit with the student has he practices what he
could be doing on his own. It’s like taking piano lessons and never
practicing. I guess this is good for the full time CFI who wants to
bill hours but for me its a wasted trip.

As far as ground work is concerned I approach it this way. I recommend
several good home ground courses that the student should work on. Our
flight syllabus expects students to have certain ground knowledge at
certain phases of the training. I always allocate time to review these
items during a lesson but if the student has not done their home study
material I just go over the entire material and they end up having to
pay me to teach them something they could have done on their own. This
usually encourages them to study ;) As an independent CFI I'm more
expensive than the FBO charges students so it probably makes more of
an impact.

-Robert,CFII
John M. Martin Jr. - 20 Sep 2008 23:59 GMT
> The syllabus I use will spell out solo flights between
> instructional flight and includes objectives, goals, etc

Robert, do you have or can you point me to a syllabus that you would
consider complete even if it takes 70+ hours?
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I bought a $450,000 house for $720,000. Bright, huh?

Robert M. Gary - 21 Sep 2008 04:05 GMT
> > The syllabus I use will spell out solo flights between
> > instructional flight and includes objectives, goals, etc
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> --
> I bought a $450,000 house for $720,000. Bright, huh?

I usually use Glemm but I have used Jeppesen when I've gotten students
who had already started with teh local FBO. The actual syllabus you
use isn't as important as the fact that you use one. Students need to
know where they are in the process, how they are progressing, etc.
Without a syllabus you're just flying in the dark..

BTW: I just bought a house for $450,000 that sold for $700,000 11
months ago. ;) I wasn't really looking for another house but when my
agent called I jumped on it. There were 6 offers in 24 hours but I
said I could close in 6 days so they took mine. There are so many
great deals all over the place if you are not leveraged.

-Robert
John M. Martin Jr. - 21 Sep 2008 15:45 GMT
> BTW: I just bought a house for $450,000 that sold for $700,000 11
> months ago. ;)

Then buy mine and you'll be even :(
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I bought a $450,000 house for $720,000. Bright, huh?

Dudley Henriques - 20 Sep 2008 18:47 GMT
> Thanks for your responses for my previous posting on Instructors.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> may be a pilot if every thing works out. But definitely I will not be
> an instructor.

The very nature of the flying equation dictates that there is no ideal
student. There are limitations on the negative side that could
preclude a specific student from becoming a pilot, but proceeding
toward the positive side, all one can do is laundry list potential
assets that might make one student a better student than the next one
so graded.
Instructors should be capable of weeding out the chaff as we have
discussed in the prior thread, but aside from that, any CFI worth the
title should be able to take ANY student possessing normal assets and
take that student through the program using a teaching method that
capitalizes on what  each specific student brings to the learning
table.

I've never had a "perfect student". Each one was different and unique;
bringing completely different talents and skills to me to mold and use
as the limits of my ability to teach allowed.

If I had to pin down an attribute or attributes I desired to see
brought to me as an instructor by a potential student, that attribute
would include a positive incentive and a positive motivation
concerning the desire to learn to fly. Any student possessing these
qualities walking through the door would be in possession of all any
good CFI should need from a student. The rest is simply the instructor
moulding HIS/HER teaching skills to that student's attributes to turn
out a finished pilot.
Specifically directed to your question; the more a student brings to
the table the easier it is for the instructor, but it's not necessary.
ANY good CFI should be able to take a simple walk in with the right
attitude and no disqualifying factors and teach that walk in to fly
properly and safely.

DH
Mick - 20 Sep 2008 20:48 GMT
"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message
news:4ec419bc-5e58-4a7e-b759-

mercy snip - >

What a crock.
Stealth Pilot - 21 Sep 2008 05:15 GMT
>"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message
>news:4ec419bc-5e58-4a7e-b759-
>
>mercy snip - >
>
>What a crock.

it was long winded but totally accurate imho.

just stick to your rideon lawn mower maxie. you'll never make it as a
pilot. your knobs are far too easy to tweak and you have this silly
habit of wearing your heart on your sleeve.

"over and out"  bwahahahahahahah  what a goose maxie!
do you understand what those words actually mean?????

Stealth Pilot
Dudley Henriques - 21 Sep 2008 13:24 GMT
On Sep 21, 12:15 am, Stealth Pilot <notranspon...@aeroplanes.com.au>
wrote:

> >"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message
> >news:4ec419bc-5e58-4a7e-b759-
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Stealth Pilot

Hi Stealth;

There's a wonderful story we have up here in the US about author James
A. Michener, world famous for his long ranging novels.
Story has it that when Michener was in the first grade at school, he
was late one morning. The teacher said she wanted a note from his
mother the next day explaining his tardiness.
James showed up the next day and handed the teacher the note he had
forged and signed with his mother's signature. The teacher read the
note;
"In the beginning, God created the earth, giant volcanos, and then
came the dinosaurs roaming the barren land"
The teacher said,
"James, is this going to be a LONG story?"

Best to you .
Mick - 22 Sep 2008 04:22 GMT
| >"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message
| >news:4ec419bc-5e58-4a7e-b759-
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|
| Stealth Pilot

Howard, you make less sense than you hero Bertie. Get a life.
Michael Ash - 22 Sep 2008 05:24 GMT
> | >"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message
> | >news:4ec419bc-5e58-4a7e-b759-
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>
> Howard, you make less sense than you hero Bertie. Get a life.

No doubt this request will fall on deaf ears, but what the hell.

Would you mind using a consistent e-mail address in your posts? Your
constantly changing fake address is making it more difficult to killfile
you than I generally prefer. Thanks.

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Mick - 22 Sep 2008 06:31 GMT
| > | >"Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message
| > | >news:4ec419bc-5e58-4a7e-b759-
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| constantly changing fake address is making it more difficult to killfile
| you than I generally prefer. Thanks.

I didn't want to switch, but dumb a.s kept forging me. But I will keep you
in mind.
romeomike - 22 Sep 2008 17:47 GMT
 Your
> constantly changing fake address is making it more difficult to killfile
> you than I generally prefer. Thanks.

That's one reason he is doing it.
gatt - 22 Sep 2008 18:18 GMT
>  Your
>
>> constantly changing fake address is making it more difficult to
>> killfile you than I generally prefer. Thanks.
>>
> That's one reason he is doing it.

Googlesearch "NewsProxy"

Takes a little tuning but you can pretty much block people permanently
unless they want to go through the effort of changing usenet software,
servers, etc. all the time.  They may still post but if you continually
frustrate them that much and force them to keep changing just to get
your attention, you win.

-c
Mick - 24 Sep 2008 00:09 GMT
|  Your
| > constantly changing fake address is making it more difficult to killfile
| > you than I generally prefer. Thanks.
|
| That's one reason he is doing it.

No it's not.
romeomike - 26 Sep 2008 05:54 GMT
> |  Your
> | > constantly changing fake address is making it more difficult to killfile
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> No it's not.

I know it is futile for me to ask, but you've helped destroy RAP. Can't
you at least leave RAS alone so that student pilots can have a forum?
Dudley Henriques - 26 Sep 2008 11:20 GMT
> > |  Your
> > | > constantly changing fake address is making it more difficult to killfile
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I know it is futile for me to ask, but you've helped destroy RAP. Can't
> you at least leave RAS alone so that student pilots can have a forum?

I wouldn't worry about the forums.
The thing about people like this character is that the longer they
hang around, the deeper they go into a credibility problem. This
poster has played his hand so long and so often that the entire forum
is on to his antics by now. Actually, the more he posts the better.
Every time he does, he just digs the grave a bit deeper for himself.
I think if you just continue posting aviation topics and wade right
through his BS, both you and the forum will do just fine :-)
Best,
Dudley Henriques
James Carlson - 26 Sep 2008 22:29 GMT
> I know it is futile for me to ask, but you've helped destroy
> RAP. Can't you at least leave RAS alone so that student pilots can
> have a forum?

Netnews has always been like this.  There are lunatics, charlatans,
and bozos of all types and flavors.  It doesn't actually "destroy"
anything, though.

We've all got 'KILL' files; just use yours as appropriate and drive
on.  You'll feel better if you do.  Feeding those trolls does no good
for anyone.

Perhaps more to the point: if you reply to those people, then those of
us who've filtered out the pests will be forced to see their screeds
quoted in your reply.  That's ungood.  Ignoring them actually forces
them to shut up.

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