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Aviation Forum / General / Aviation / September 2008Why Pilots of America rocks...
Below is what was published today on the moderated piloting group, "Pilots of America". As you may recall, this is the piloting group that Dudley Henriques, myself, and a host of others have switched to, now that the cross-posting trolls have emasculated this once-hallowed group. Over on P of A, off-topic posts are segregated to an area called "The Spin Zone". Pretty much anything goes there (as opposed to the rest of the site, which is purely about aviation), and it has been said that it is roughly the equivalent of rec.aviation.piloting. Politics, crime, religion -- you name it -- it's all fair game in the Spin Zone. Usually. Lately, however, things have apparently gotten pretty out of hand there, to the point where the moderators have taken the radical step of closing that part of PofA down for a "cooling off" period. Below is the explanation the moderating team has posted for all to read: *************************************************************************************************** Recently, the Management Council posted a general warning about the level of offensive rhetoric in the Spin Zone. After dealing with five violations of the Rules of Conduct in the Spin Zone in the last 12 hours, the Management Council has concluded that too many participants did not take that warning to heart. We have decided that a "time out" is necessary so that all Spin Zone posters can reflect on whether or not they wish to play by the rules. Therefore, the Spin Zone is closed for three days. While the Spin Zone is closed, non-aviation related political, religious, or otherwise potentially controversial topics posted in other forums in violation of the rules for those forums will be deleted, and users who persist in posting inappropriate material will be subject to full site suspension. If, when the Spin Zone reopens, all participants demonstrate a recommitment to the principles of civil discourse upon which this this site was founded, it will remain open. If this pervasive lack of self-discipline continues at the current level, the Management Council will eliminate that forum permanently because we are unwilling to continue spending the amount of time required to manage the misbehavior of the small but significant number of participants who do not abide by the rules. Regards, The Pilots of America Management Council *************************************************************************************************** If only something similar could be enforced here, this group would quickly be restored to functionality. Since it can't, I heartily invite everyone who is sick of the "Bertie-MX-Maxwell-Mikey-Rich Troll-o-rama Show" to c'mon over to where the air is clean and fresh, and the management team knows how to deal with children who can't play well with others. http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/  SignatureJay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 Ercoupe N94856 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" > Below is what was published today on the moderated piloting group, "Pilots > of America"...... (the rest snipped) Jay, I appreciate the invitation and I may take ya'll up on it but in my 15 + years of Usenet I have never seen a web-based forum that I liked enough to stick with it. For various reasons ranging from complexity to shallowness of participants to overly-strict moderators, Usenet has grabbed a part of my heart that has yet to be satisfied with anything web-based. I do admit, at the moment RAP is full of the worst kind of immature, childish nonsense, some regretfully from highly-experienced pilots. In the 4 Usenet groups I've been heavily involved with over the years this kind of thing comes & goes. The other 2 groups I'm involved with are on the upswing from a 2-3 year period of childish garbage & trolls. I have seen them both go bad then good then back again a couple of times. Excellent, legendary, knowlegable posters have said; "to hell with this" and quit, unable to use their filters or just ignore the manure, which is almost always the way an attention-starved troll leaves anyway, by being completely ignored. I don't even use the same I.D. there that I do here for fear of ushering thumb-sucking idiots from here to there. It seems to have gotten worse in recent years, though across the Usenet board. I remember a time when Usenet as a whole was much more civil, mature, respectful and meaningful. However, the unmoderated freedom of Usenet is a real treasure for me & the millions who use it as it should be used. It's simple, direct, no-frills, unmoderated and legendary. I use Google for access which sucks real bad at times but I do have Agent, which just requires an hour or two of free time for me to get it configured and strangle some info from my server/ISP. I don't have an hour or two free right now & haven't for weeks. I'm sure POA is wonderful and I may try it. At the moment life is too busy for lots of Usenet (or internet for that matter), anyway, so perhaps when I finish A&P school in Dec. & have more time online I'll check out POA. Just got a job at L-3 BTW working on C-130s & P-3s with incredible pay & benefits & a flying club w cheap rentals to boot! Just like flying, an A&P is a licence to learn as I'm realizing almost nothing in the last 2 years of school has prepared me for what I've done the last week in my new career. I've learned an amazing amount in just 1 week. I'm glad ya'll seem to have a good group but I've heard criticism of POA in the vein of web-based group problems I mentioned above. I hope it flourishes and I'm sure I'll come over for a visit sometime in the near future. If nothing else, it may be a breath of fresh air, It's really stinky in here right now! Ricky >I'm glad ya'll seem to have a good group but I've heard criticism of >POA in the vein of web-based group problems I mentioned above. I hope >it flourishes and I'm sure I'll come over for a visit sometime in the >near future. If nothing else, it may be a breath of fresh air, It's >really stinky in here right now! Thanks for the thoughtful post, Ricky. I, too, have loved rec.aviation for over a decade. I, too, have a hard time giving up the ease and freedom of the Usenet interface. Web-based groups invariably have more tools and shortcuts to use, which makes them more complex, which often makes them a PIA to use (at first) -- and PofA is no different. (Although, I must admit, some of those whiz-bang built-in tools are very nice, once you figure the damned things out.) I hear what you're saying about these things being cyclical, and we've seen trolls before -- but never to this degree. The irrational bitterness, the knee-jerk rancor, the personal attacks and downright meanness of posters here is at an all-time high (low?). It is simply not possible to maintain a thread of any kind here without devolving into the "Bertie/Maxwell/MX/Mikey/Rich Troll-o-Rama Show", which -- after nearly a year of this -- has left this group in shambles. Which was their goal, of course. So, I offer a great alternative to our friends who are still here. PofA is far from perfect, but it's about FLYING and PILOTING, is chock-full of a great bunch of pilots (many of whom you might know from here, from days gone by), and the moderators keep a firm grip on the tiller when it comes to children who won't play well with others. http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/ SignatureJay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 Ercoupe N94856 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" > here is at an all-time high (low?). It is simply not possible to maintain a > thread of any kind here without devolving into the > "Bertie/Maxwell/MX/Mikey/Rich Troll-o-Rama Show", which -- after nearly a > year of this -- has left this group in shambles. It's kind of funny but the only one here lately who starts aviation-related threads is Mx. The rest of the traffic seems to be the same characters making fools of themselves over and over again, desperately trying to prove he is wrong often by pointing out some miniscule detail in one of his posts. It used to be entertaining but now it's just tedious and sophomoric - I no longer read anything that that cast of characters posts. Try starting an aviation-related thread and see what happens. Sure, you can expect the predictable responses from the few here who have a hard-on for you for their own childish reasons, but it's so easy to just skip past all that that I'm not sure why anyone here has a problem (or such a hard time) with doing so. >> here is at an all-time high (low?). It is simply not possible to >> maintain [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > read > anything that that cast of characters posts. That's because Mx has a long history with this group, and many of us can assure you, he is not a productive member and feeding his threads do not pay off in the long run. Quite the contrary. > Try starting an aviation-related thread and see what happens. Sure, you > can > expect the predictable responses from the few here who have a hard-on for > you for their own childish reasons, but it's so easy to just skip past all > that that I'm not sure why anyone here has a problem (or such a hard time) > with doing so. I think you are absolutely right. I don't understand why people stop talking aviation when the bullshit starts. It's easy to either skip or delete the offending message, and keep posting the good stuff. When the honest contributors go silent, there is nothing left but the nonsense. >>> here is at an all-time high (low?). It is simply not possible to >>> maintain [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > delete the offending message, and keep posting the good stuff. When the > honest contributors go silent, there is nothing left but the nonsense. ...sez the biggest bull$hit monger of the NG. >>> here is at an all-time high (low?). It is simply not possible to >>> maintain [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > the honest contributors go silent, there is nothing left but the > nonsense. That's what you do, isn't it? Bwahahwahwhahwhahwhhawhhahwhahwhahwh! Bertie Opinions vary... But it would be difficult to dispute that MX is one of the most "on topic" posters here.. Dave >That's because Mx has a long history with this group, and many of us can >assure you, he is not a productive member and feeding his threads do not pay >off in the long run. Quite the contrary. How long have you been observing Mx? Regardless of his "being on topic", his threads most often prove very detrimental to the group. He has a very loose grip on the real world in general, and a desire to irritate any of the dozens of people who have honestly try to help him understand. He seems to have an honest resentment for the messenger, when reality doesn't live up to his needs and expectations. You will find it much simpler and rewarding, explaining the hazards of adult male/female relationships, to a 15 year old girl that thinks she's has just fallen in love. > Opinions vary... > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>pay >>off in the long run. Quite the contrary. > How long have you been observing Mx? > > Regardless of his "being on topic", his threads most often prove very > detrimental to the group. No more so than you, Okie. > He has a very loose grip on the real world in general, and a desire to > irritate any of the dozens of people who have honestly try to help him > understand. He seems to have an honest resentment for the messenger, when > reality doesn't live up to his needs and expectations. No more so than you, Okie. > You will find it much simpler and rewarding, explaining the hazards of > adult male/female relationships, to a 15 year old girl that thinks she's > has just fallen in love. No more so than you, Okie. Also the differences between you and Mx, is Mx at least appears to be a few years older, doesn't change his sock puppet several times per week, and is at least one standard deviation to the right on the bell curve. Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. > Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. Pointing out that someone else is considerably to the right of you on the bell curve is not necessarily a complement, Okie. > Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. You are either using a definition of "sock puppet" that only you understand, or you don't understand the term as other people use it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet on 9/7/2008 9:27 PM Jim Logajan said the following: >> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. > > You are either using a definition of "sock puppet" that only you > understand, or you don't understand the term as other people use it: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet Good luck with this one. We've been trying to hammer it into Maxie's head but he insists on his own definition. > on 9/7/2008 9:27 PM Jim Logajan said the following: >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Good luck with this one. We've been trying to hammer it into Maxie's head > but he insists on his own definition. Maybe you should expand your horizons a little beyond the troll sites, dumb a.s. Been flying with Gertie lately? >> on 9/7/2008 9:27 PM Jim Logajan said the following: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Maybe you should expand your horizons a little beyond the troll sites, > dumb a.s. You're an idiot. Don;t ever change. > Been flying with Gertie lately? Nope. Not for a while. >> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. > > You are either using a definition of "sock puppet" that only you > understand, or you don't understand the term as other people use it: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_sock_puppet The term sock puppet has been around much longer than the internet. My first recollection of it was studying political history in the 9th grade ('60s), but I have heard it used even more often in corporate environments since. In either case it is used to indicate someone is parroting someone else's believes or ideals. Either definition works for me. I don't care if someone has created a covert identity, or if weak minded individuals simply parrot someone else's mission, both examples seem transparent here. Let's face it, who cares if Bich Ahrens, Mikey Mouth or any of the .kook folks, is a fake identity operated by Bertie, or just another weak minded fool sucking up to him. They both serve the same purpose. Links included only because I like ya. :) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Political+Sock+Puppet http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/08/25/obama-picks-hollywood-sock http://ohiodailyblog.com/content/sarah-palin-sock-puppet >>> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > environments since. In either case it is used to indicate someone is > parroting someone else's believes or ideals. First I've heard of that meaning. On Usenet I always took it to mean someone posting under multiple aliases. I may be wrong, but I may be typical in understanding it by that meaning. The links you include below appear to me to be unrelated to the meaning traditionally used on Usenet. To avoid confusion, you might want to modify your accusations by saying they are parrots, or parroting, or brainwashed, or something other than sock puppets. > Either definition works for me. I don't care if someone has created a > covert identity, or if weak minded individuals simply parrot someone [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://ohiodailyblog.com/content/sarah-palin-sock-puppet > First I've heard of that meaning. On Usenet I always took it to mean > someone posting under multiple aliases. I may be wrong, but I may be > typical in understanding it by that meaning. > The links you include below appear to me to be unrelated to the meaning > traditionally used on Usenet. To avoid confusion, you might want to modify > your accusations by saying they are parrots, or parroting, or brainwashed, > or something other than sock puppets. If we can't tell one from the other, and they both serve the same purpose, why do they need two names. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, you've got a duck. Considering their actual motives, I guess we could call the real people "suck puppets". on 9/8/2008 12:07 AM Lonnie said the following: >> First I've heard of that meaning. On Usenet I always took it to mean >> someone posting under multiple aliases. I may be wrong, but I may be [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If we can't tell one from the other, and they both serve the same purpose, > why do they need two names. Because anyone with two working neurons can tall the difference. Which eliminates you, I realize... > Considering their actual motives, I guess we could call the real people > "suck puppets". Considering the amount of crap you spew, we'll just have to keep calling you an a.shole. > on 9/8/2008 12:07 AM Lonnie said the following: >>> First I've heard of that meaning. On Usenet I always took it to mean [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Considering the amount of crap you spew, we'll just have to keep calling > you an a.shole. Shame yor to lame to speak to the issue. Keep sumbling fupid. on 9/8/2008 8:19 PM Lonnie said the following: >> on 9/8/2008 12:07 AM Lonnie said the following: >>>> First I've heard of that meaning. On Usenet I always took it to mean [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Shame yor to lame to speak to the issue. Keep sumbling fupid. Spent the whole social security check on Thunderbird tonight, eh, Maxie? > on 9/8/2008 8:19 PM Lonnie said the following: >>> on 9/8/2008 12:07 AM Lonnie said the following: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Spent the whole social security check on Thunderbird tonight, eh, Maxie? Oh yeah, that's addressing the issue. Keep dodging it , sockboi. >> on 9/8/2008 8:19 PM Lonnie said the following: >>>> on 9/8/2008 12:07 AM Lonnie said the following: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Oh yeah, that's addressing the issue. Keep dodging it , sockboi. Dunno, I think the unspoken issue is being dealt wiht post by post, fanboi. Bertie >> on 9/8/2008 12:07 AM Lonnie said the following: >>>> First I've heard of that meaning. On Usenet I always took it to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Shame yor to lame to speak to the issue. Keep sumbling fupid. Wow! clever exchange of consonants there Maxine. That was quite a cunning stunt. Bertie >> First I've heard of that meaning. On Usenet I always took it to mean >> someone posting under multiple aliases. I may be wrong, but I may be [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Considering their actual motives, I guess we could call the real > people "suck puppets". No, you can, the rest of the universe will call them posters, fjukkktard. Bertie >>> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > environments since. In either case it is used to indicate someone is > parroting someone else's believes or ideals. Bullshit. Bertie >> The term sock puppet has been around much longer than the internet. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bertie Sorry if reality doesn't happen to suit your needs, feel free to keep living in your own little fantasy. >>> The term sock puppet has been around much longer than the internet. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Sorry if reality doesn't happen to suit your needs, feel free to keep > living in your own little fantasy. sez the fjukkktard who invents his own definitins. , Maxine.. Bertie >>> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > environments since. In either case it is used to indicate someone is > parroting someone else's believes or ideals. Prove it. >>>> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Prove it. Hell no, I don't want a sockie like you to believe it. I get too much pleasure listening to you, Bich and Gertie making a.ses out of yourselves arguing otherwise. By all means Mikey Mouth, bitch some more. >>>>> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Hell no I knew you couldn't. >>>>>> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I knew you couldn't. Another Anthony trim. Good job. Just shows, like Anthony, you have no interest in someone else's opinion. But hell, we already knew that, didn't we Mikey Mouth. >>>>>>> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > interest in someone else's opinion. But hell, we already knew that, didn't > we Mikey Mouth. Referring to yourself as "we" now I see, Okie. Not only do your sockpuppets have distinct nyms but apparently are assigned dissociative identities as well. The extent of your delusions is much worse than I originally thought, but please don't seek professional help. The entertainment value alone is well worth it. But to answer your (their?) assertion, I do indeed have interest in other opinions, but yours (theirs) rate somewhere below Gary the Retard's. >>>>> Socken and sucken up to Mx now, eh Mikey Mouth. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Hell no, I don't want a sockie like you to believe it. OK, you've just completely porfeited your right to whine "prove it" form this moment forward, Maxine. Every time you do I will increas the crosspost list by one froup. Bertie > How long have you been observing Mx? > > Regardless of his "being on topic", his threads most often prove very > detrimental to the group. Yeah, and your's are such a boon. Bertie > Opinions vary... A problem I am attempting to correct. Everyone should have my opinion! The world would be a much more congenial place. On the other hand, no one would want to do hard or unpleasant work. >> Opinions vary... > > A problem I am attempting to correct. Everyone should have my opinion! > The world would be a much more congenial place. Okay, dear. Whatever you say. I agree completely. (I just love the little thrill it gives a guy when I say that!) > Okay, dear. Whatever you say. I agree completely. > > (I just love the little thrill it gives a guy when I say that!) OMG! I would be more likely to flip a lid, rather than get a thrill. I think the word "whatever" should be banned from use between a woman and a man. Combined with a roll of the eyes, it has started wars, IIRC. <g> SignatureJim in NC Fjukktards like Jay Honeck are there. Bertie > Fjukktards like Jay Honeck are there. > > Bertie Just burns your butt when people find ways to avoid your nonsense, doesn't it? Now lie to us. >> Fjukktards like Jay Honeck are there. >> >> Bertie > > Just burns your butt when people find ways to avoid your nonsense, doesn't > it? You sure as hell don't. So how do you categorize your posts, Maxie? Do you think they AREN'T nonsense? At least Bertie offers something substantive now and again. You offer nothing BUT nonsense. In your case, that's probably for the best. No doubt you discovered your flight sim knowledge would only carry you so far without getting put in you place by actual pilots like Bertie. >> Fjukktards like Jay Honeck are there. >> >> Bertie > > Just burns your butt when people find ways to avoid your nonsense, > doesn't it? Nope. I've been poasting regularly on POA. Takes longer to troll, but the results are the same, the k00ks always shine for me at the end of the day. > Now lie to us. OK, You're an intelligent, erudite fellow of high moral standing. Bwawhahwhahw! Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face. Bertie This is why POA sucks: Here is an example of a 4 star thread: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23823 basically "hi welcome back" over and over again. And here is an example of a 1 star thread: http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23821 To me, this is the kind of thing that should be encouraged on online discussion forums. Questioning widely-held perceptions in order to get a better understanding the aviation profession. On POA, it'll get you called a troll. buttman <nbvFOUR@gmail.com> wrote in news:e350542c-ca3f-42c6-94e4- acff3b9baf75@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > This is why POA sucks: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > a better understanding the aviation profession. On POA, it'll get you > called a troll. You haven't got the brains to be called an elf, never mind a troll. Bertie >> This is why POA sucks: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You haven't got the brains to be called an elf, never mind a troll. Which sounds pretty dire for POA, I must say. Just an ongoing circle-jerk there, then. Signature________________________________________________________________________ Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; Chung Convict #28; Usenet Ruiner #5 Demon Lord of Confusion; Official Chung Demon; Top a.shole #3 Superfaggot; Wingnut's #1 World Class Coward (next to the French) COOSN-029-06-71069; Most Hated Usenetizen of All Time #13; Lits Slut #16 Gutter Chix0r #17; BowTie's Spuriously Accused Pedo Photographer #4 AUK Psycho & Felon #21; Parrot & Zombie #2; AUK Hate Machine Cog #19 Anonymous Psycho Criminal #18 The posting nym is best removed from my posting address if your goal is to speak with me in private. Supreme High Overlord of rec.radio.* "Atheists are people who have no invisible means of support" Join my RuneScape clan! http://z11.invisionfree.com/Holy_Pretzel_Cabal/index.php Full name of clan: Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet And Usenet Terrorist Pretzel "A dog in the video I watched f.cked a human woman. 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I am sure you know what that means. So are Scorpios. I am being 'protected' by the Formosa Rule because of my 'mental illness'. I am not targeting 'teh Mop Jockey'. You are and you are using me as a bait. Please stop. I have my own fish to reel in. Leave me alone. It is my hope that I will be able to catch a fish and reel it in for you. Once my retired bishop thought I was fishing for him and he took the bait, alas it wasn't me and that spelled the demise of our relationship. Have a little bit more faith in me. An Eastern Orthodox bishop thought I was fishing for him and willingly, proudly and defiantly took the bait on public record, and it wasn't even me. Give me a break." -- Atlanta Olympiada "Erica" Kane yammered in Message-ID: <ochc3.ag0.17.1@news.alt.net> "It does to a certain extant physically and theoretically it holds even into the quantum but there observational confirmation is limited or non existent. That's the problem and the major stumbling block to field unification. For Dr. Einstein held out that a physical based field theory should be sought out and not left to quantum uncertainty of how the universe primly base works. Man made coordinate systems are fine without knowing from where or what is the base essence of what the space as deduced field is composed of, but not totally satisfactory. Anomalies keep space cropping up and scientists have to keep adjusting for these unexpected events. It's like a blind man that has memorized his physical surroundings to a point he feels very comfortable until that one new or unexpected event pops up and he's lost and fumbling." -- nightbat, in one of his more lucid moments. Message-ID: <b27b0$45ed14a7$46e3a646$6618@COMTECK.COM> "The God of Odd Statements, Henry Schmidt" <popesnarky.godofodd@statements.like.yours.caballista.org> wrote in news:pan.2008.09.06.10.37.54.626856 @kooks.worship.me.with.their.every.pos t: >>> This is why POA sucks: >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Which sounds pretty dire for POA, I must say. Just an ongoing > circle-jerk there, then. Yeah, which is what the whiney twats like Jay liked to get going here. It's a pretty nauseating place. The usenet equivelant of a "gated community", inhabited by the same sort of jerks that live in those places. You know, fascists. Bertie > This is why POA sucks: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > a better understanding the aviation profession. On POA, it'll get you > called a troll. This pattern is typical of virtually all moderated forums. They essentially become social clubs for a small group of regulars, and all interaction is social, rather than intellectual. Anything that rocks the boat is rejected. Unfortunately, debate by definition rocks the boat. You can rationalize all you want- the bottom line is that you have nothing to contribute to a forum that includes real pilots and discusses actual flying. Hail Eris! On Sat, 06 Sep 2008 05:23:08 -0500, "Viperdoc" sang, "If I were a Deep One...blub, blub, blub, blub, blub, blub, blub, blub, bloody, bloody, blub...", and then randomly typed out: > You can rationalize all you want- the bottom line is that you have nothing > to contribute to a forum that includes real pilots and discusses actual > flying. So you think PoA would be ideal for him, then? Signature________________________________________________________________________ Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; Anonymous Psycho Criminal #18 TEH USENETS BULLIE http://www.runescape.com/ Join my RuneScape clan! http://z11.invisionfree.com/Holy_Pretzel_Cabal/index.php Full name of clan: Cabal of the Holy International Discordian Internet And Usenet Terrorist Pretzel Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle Trainer of PorchMonkey4Life http://www.screedbomb.info/porchie/ Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2008 Hammer of Thor, July 2008 "Not supporting me is equivalent to forfeiting your own rights." -- John D. Wentzky: Warrior For Your Freedumb! Message-ID: <33km2419sg6fnq3shtbatqa602eagfbskl@4ax.com> "You cognatatively challenged fool!" -- According to Agamemnon, Stephen Wilson is, apparently, highly ignorant about cognates, and so is anyone who dares to disagree with him, in Message-ID: <Jvidnfyewe883sjVnZ2dnUVZ8rOdnZ2d@eclipse.net.uk> "Is it still necrophilia if I'm conscious?" -- Owen Harper, "Dead Man Walking", Torchwood (20/207) > This pattern is typical of virtually all moderated forums. They essentially > become social clubs for a small group of regulars, and all interaction is > social, rather than intellectual. Anything that rocks the boat is rejected. > Unfortunately, debate by definition rocks the boat. Well the link that the buttman posted wasn't in the Aviation chat area. it was in the "Pilots Lounge" that is described as... "Forums in this category are not necessarily aviation specific. These forums are our "Virtual Pilot's Lounge" where you can come in, chat, have a cup of (virtual) coffee and a (virtual) donut and talk about just about anything you like. :)" The on topic aviation post can be found in "Controlled Airspace." http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=4 "All forums within this category are Aviation Only forums. Topics posted here not dealing with Aviation in some way will be moved or deleted." > This is why POA sucks: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > basically "hi welcome back" over and over again. That sort of thing is pretty innocuous, except for the tedeous interface that quintuples the effort to scroll through the posts in order to see in\f there is any "meat and potatoes" in any of them. We used to see the same thing here and in R.A.S until we were infested by Mxs and the places became a minefield--but it was not a problem with the simpler text oriented NNTP interface. > And here is an example of a 1 star thread: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a better understanding the aviation profession. On POA, it'll get you > called a troll. There is a little more to the problem. I read a large part of the thread, despite the need to keep a rint-out of the FAQ on the desk to help navigate the interface. Even without the assistance it whould have enjoyed on this forum, the discussion immediately veered off into the weeds. In fact, it almost reminded me of that Old Pilot Story, about the botched crosswind landing, that ends with: "...and when I nicked that second VASI light, I lost directional control of the aircraft." It started with the first gross error in the original post, which has my English teacher spinning in her grave, with the question "can he...?" instead of "may he..?" and the clear presumption that NO instruction was given. Presuming that the question was simply interpreted to mean "may he...?" then the answer would simply be "NO" since anything else would be a fraudulent entry. If that was all, I would not have been motivated to compose any criticism... But, of course, that was not all. Indeed, the subsequent posts in the thread clearely showed that a group of Wholier Than Thou jack-a.ses also infest PoA. Several of them actually made the effort to cut and paste from various FARs, and then completely ignored the linguistically obvious exclusions, to what they had just posted, to what an instructor may and/or must log--and continued to completely ignore the logic of the initial post. One could obviously argue that posts suggesting how instruction might be corrctly documented, if it was given, would be constructive; and several did make a resonable effort to do just that. However, their posts were vastly outnumbered. In the final analysis, the conversation was not that great and only the initial post was clearly a Troll--by the strict definition. So, I agree with you: For the moment, it does not seem enough of an improvement to justify the effort. Peter Dohm schrieb: >> http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23823 >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a minefield--but it was not a problem with the simpler text oriented NNTP > interface. ... and all those _*useless*_ huge signatures with pictures (or animations *waahhh*!) and most of the posters on forums not trimming their replies. #m > Peter Dohm schrieb: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > #m You can turn avatars and sigs off if you register. Its what always do when I use a web forum where everyone seems to have annoying sigs, which seems to be just about every aviation forum I have ever known of. >> Peter Dohm schrieb: >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > which seems to be just about every aviation forum I have ever known > of. Wheras just having an annoying personality is enough for you, presumably. Bertie > http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/ You think this place is better because they close down a forum and give you a timeout, much like how a mother punishes her 3 year old? The problem with most of these "moderated" web forums is that they seem to focus their moderation on protecting the thin-skinned from being offended by cuss words and insults, while they let the actual discussions degrade into meaningless, (all though polite) trite crap. For instance its very common to see a thread in a moderated forum about a plane crash. But instead of the discussion being about the actual crash, all you'll see is page after page of replies like "RIP", "This is sad my prayers go out to the victims", "RIP :(", "this is sad RIP:(", etc. Its nice that people are being supportive and polite, but whats the point? Who wants to read that? If I were moderating, that is the exact kind of thing I'd be removing. The same goes for when a thread diverts off into a personal chit chat session between two acquaintances. So I guess if you're looking for a place where everybody holds hands and sings kumbaya, then most moderated groups are for you. >> http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/ > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > So I guess if you're looking for a place where everybody holds hands > and sings kumbaya, then most moderated groups are for you. Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners Remember the story of: "The Rise of the White Male Sycophant" Google it very interesting stuff. Political Correctness, the belittling of white males and the praying before the Obama God while white sycophants bow and chant "We are not worthy" is the phenomenon known as "The Kissing the Black a.s" syndrome driven by Marxist and Maoist demagogues. STAND BY FOR THE KLAN/BIGOT/TOOTHLESS/INBRED/TRAILER LIVIN/SISTER FUCKIN Insults from weak and nimble minded PC fascists Future history will show..... 2008 was "The Rise Of The White Male Sycophant" With the rise of the left wing Marxist Obama movement along with the rapid expansion of the homosexual acceptance movement here in Rome(America) along with the rapid feminism of America driven by Chinese and Russian influence the white male sycophant has risen to new heights on TV and in our American culture. The white male sycophant is easy to spot. Pasty, pudgy, mindless minions of weak soft white men. Gravitating behind the anointed black messiah Obama like the flying monkeys in the Wizard of Oz. Take heed America for the 2008 campaign has exposed a new destructive phenomenon. The weak white male sycophant. The white male sycophant gets his high from that false feeling of white guilt suppression. He was programmed to feel guilty about being white from constant mind programming and bombardment from the use in Government schools of Politically Correct history distortion and obfuscation tactics His high is satisfied when he bows before the Obama God As the weak shriveling minions of white male sycophants follow behind the politically correct messiah Obama the entire fabric of America is torn by the politically correct forces of evil and tyranny You can see them scurrying about like little rats blindly following behind the politically correct lemmings and feminist minions as they plunge over the political cliff into the raging sea. Speak out against Obama and they will swarm you like human piranhas calling you racist and backwards and a Klan member How dare you call our Black Messiah incompetent and inexperienced and unqualified. He can't be!??! He's Black!!! (Chorus of we're not worthy--we're not worthy from white sycophants) America will never be the same as the forces of politically correct tyranny seek to weaken America by lessening the very bedrock culture that built her. The strong white male men of the west the types like John Wayne have been transformed by the Marxist American media into a weak shriveling sycophant minion servant of strong women and blacks on TV. And the slow destruction of America continues driven by the homosexual controlled American media THE EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES >THE EMPEROR sad how far some folks sink under their own spooks. this was slightly entertaining a couple of posts ago. particularly how this sad fellow just loves the word "sycophant". I've seen the tendency in the moderately to severely mentally retarded and schizophrenic. just pitiful now. Been away for a while and I see it ain't got much better 'round these parts. > Future history will show..... > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > by the Marxist American media into a weak shriveling > sycophant minion servant of strong women and blacks on TV. John Wayne! You mean Marion ( yeh Marion) Morrison. He was an actor you idiot. That means he plays dress ups and pretends to be someone he is not. Why dont use a real big white Texan like George Dubbya as your shining example of white male supremacy and intellect.........on second thoughts. > On Sep 4, 3:27 am, FREEDOM-OF-SPEECH <em...@aol.com> wrote:> Future history will show..... > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > your shining example of white male supremacy and intellect.........on > second thoughts. Well, Jimmy Stewart would be more suitable, as this is an aviation forum. > > On Sep 4, 3:27 am, FREEDOM-OF-SPEECH <em...@aol.com> wrote:> Future history will show..... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Well, Jimmy Stewart would be more suitable, as this is an aviation > forum.- Hide quoted text - Now there's a real American hero. > Future history will show..... > > FREEDOM-OF-SPEECH HAS NO CLOTHES Don't you have a toilet you need to drink from? buttman <nbvFOUR@gmail.com> wrote in news:cbfc0b5f-cfbd-4067-ae6e- 7c391cb9003d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: >> http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/ > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > being offended by cuss words and insults, while they let the actual > discussions degrade into meaningless, (all though polite) trite crap. Myabe you could start a thread about how to kill yourself in an airplane. It'd be a valuable public service "buttman's how not do it daily tip" Bertie > buttman <nbvFOUR@gmail.com> wrote in news:cbfc0b5f-cfbd-4067-ae6e- > 7c391cb9003d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bertie We don't need it. You make a bad example of yourself many times daily. >> buttman <nbvFOUR@gmail.com> wrote in news:cbfc0b5f-cfbd-4067-ae6e- >> 7c391cb9003d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > We don't need it. You make a bad example of yourself many times daily. Awwww.. Maxwell getting cranky again? Bertie > The problem with most of these "moderated" web forums is that they > seem to focus their moderation on protecting the thin-skinned from [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > thread diverts off into a personal chit chat session between two > acquaintances. That's because you cannot have a meaningful discussion among people with differences of opinion without the risk of controversy and conflict. If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no real discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real issues of real interest, the intolerant among the participants will complain of being offended and will rapidly resort to personal attacks. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. Anthony, the best attribute of POA is that you're not there, since it is a forum for pilots. You can rationalize your non-participation all you want, but the fact is that you simply don't have anything to contribute. > If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no real > discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real issues of > real interest, the intolerant among the participants will complain of > being > offended and will rapidly resort to personal attacks. Disagree 100%. There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any conversation, ever. Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began, personal attacks here were exceedingly rare. Even when they occurred, they were mild by comparison to this group's every-day persona now, and (more importantly) the regular posters in the group would quickly show their disdain for that sort of behavior. This kept trolls in check, even when potentially controversial off-topic subjects were discussed. Now, even benign, on-topic subjects can't be discussed here without the trolls rolling in the mud. Discussions at P of A can be VERY boisterous, with all opinions voiced. There is NO censorship until troll-ish behavior and personal attacks become the focus of the discussion -- at which point it's GONE. The moderators are (IMHO) extremely patient, but when the line is crossed there is no doubt that the offenders will be swiftly dealt with. It's....refreshing. P of A may not be perfect, but it's about pilots discussing flying. If that's what you're looking for, check it out. SignatureJay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 Ercoupe N94856 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" >> If the discussion forum is peaceful, it will also be boring, with no >> real discussion of substance. If the discussion forum discusses real [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > P of A may not be perfect, but it's about pilots discussing flying. So what are you doing there, spamtard? Bertie > There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to > personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any > conversation, ever. Nevertheless, stupid people will routinely resort to personal attacks, often very early in a conversation. It's extremely predictable and reliable. > Until the "Bertie-MX-Maxie-Rich-Mikey Troll-o-Rama Show" began, personal > attacks here were exceedingly rare. They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. > Even when they occurred, they were mild > by comparison to this group's every-day persona now, and (more importantly) > the regular posters in the group would quickly show their disdain for that > sort of behavior. Some of the worst offenders are regular posters in the group. Anthony, did you ever stop to think that you and the nature of your posts might have something to do with the responses they elicit? > Anthony, did you ever stop to think that you and the nature of your posts > might have something to do with the responses they elicit? Actually, it's not the nature of his posts..... It's the nature of his responses acting like playing with MSFS is like being in a real plane in real air. The two simply doesn't intertwine. I have never had leans on MSFS. I have never felt a botched landing in MSFS. I have never felt positive or negative G's in MSFS. I have never experienced the shear beauty of breaking out at minimums in MSFS, or breaking out on top in MSFS. Yet he will challenge me on what I am suppose to feel and do in a real plane. I DON"T THINK SO. He has already claimed I am unsafe pilot on using trends and expected reactions in IMC, yet he has never touched a cloud behind the controls of an airplane that flies in the air in the real world away from a computer. SO I REPEAT AGAIN, it's is the tone of his responses that are the problem in that simming is like real world. But he will followup to my response with some antidotical (sp?) response that doesn't address the issue that simming and flying a real airplane are not the same and he will claim it is the same. I do both, so I can talk from both sides of the coin. He can't and doesn't belong in a group for pilots when there are groups for simming that can answer his questions. And his questions that pertain to rules, like following roads, he doesn't need us. FARS provides all the answers for questions like that. When I ask him direct questions, he doesn't answer and won't answer. History already proves this. >> There is no need or reason for anyone here to stoop to >> personal attacks, at any time. That sort of crap doesn't forward any [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again > in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. Now there's a surprise. Bertie > They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again in > virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. That's because your entry to this group precipitated the worst troll invasion ever seen here. I don't know why, exactly -- I find your postings to be relatively harmless, occasionally amusing, and often on-topic -- and perhaps it was coincidental -- but there is no doubt that your entrance here occurred right before the entry of "Bertie" and his sock-puppets, and the exit of so many regular posters. > Some of the worst offenders are regular posters in the group. Sadly, you're right. But only because so many of the good folks have left. SignatureJay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 Ercoupe N94856 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" >> They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again >> in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that your entrance here occurred right before the entry of "Bertie" > and his sock-puppets, and the exit of so many regular posters. What sock puppets? Bertie >>> They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again >>> in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What sock puppets? Apparently, Jay is as clueless about headers and sockpuppetry as Maxipad. Signature________________________________________________________________________ Hail Eris! mhm 29x21; TM#5; Chung Convict #28; Usenet Ruiner #5 Demon Lord of Confusion; Official Chung Demon; Top a.shole #3 Superfaggot; Wingnut's #1 World Class Coward (next to the French) COOSN-029-06-71069; Most Hated Usenetizen of All Time #13; Lits Slut #16 Gutter Chix0r #17; BowTie's Spuriously Accused Pedo Photographer #4 AUK Psycho & Felon #21; Parrot & Zombie #2; AUK Hate Machine Cog #19 Anonymous Psycho Criminal #18 The posting nym is best removed from my posting address if your goal is to speak with me in private. 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I am sure you know what that means. So are Scorpios. I am being 'protected' by the Formosa Rule because of my 'mental illness'. I am not targeting 'teh Mop Jockey'. You are and you are using me as a bait. Please stop. I have my own fish to reel in. Leave me alone. It is my hope that I will be able to catch a fish and reel it in for you. Once my retired bishop thought I was fishing for him and he took the bait, alas it wasn't me and that spelled the demise of our relationship. Have a little bit more faith in me. An Eastern Orthodox bishop thought I was fishing for him and willingly, proudly and defiantly took the bait on public record, and it wasn't even me. Give me a break." -- Atlanta Olympiada "Erica" Kane yammered in Message-ID: <ochc3.ag0.17.1@news.alt.net> "It does to a certain extant physically and theoretically it holds even into the quantum but there observational confirmation is limited or non existent. That's the problem and the major stumbling block to field unification. For Dr. Einstein held out that a physical based field theory should be sought out and not left to quantum uncertainty of how the universe primly base works. Man made coordinate systems are fine without knowing from where or what is the base essence of what the space as deduced field is composed of, but not totally satisfactory. Anomalies keep space cropping up and scientists have to keep adjusting for these unexpected events. It's like a blind man that has memorized his physical surroundings to a point he feels very comfortable until that one new or unexpected event pops up and he's lost and fumbling." -- nightbat, in one of his more lucid moments. Message-ID: <b27b0$45ed14a7$46e3a646$6618@COMTECK.COM> >>>> They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again >>>> in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Apparently, Jay is as clueless about headers and sockpuppetry as > Maxipad. Yep, he also has a fleapit motel in Iowa, of all places ( he's not even from there, he actually moved there by choice) which he's converted to an "aviatiors paradise" by placing a bunch of cheesy pics of airplanes up on the walls. He posts the URL for this dump all over the net. Bertie >>>>> They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again >>>>> in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "aviatiors paradise" by placing a bunch of cheesy pics of airplanes up on > the walls. He posts the URL for this dump all over the net. Jeez, you've got to be kidding. Who would move to Iowa City by choice? It's worse than Oklahoma. >>>>>> They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again >>>>>> in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Jeez, you've got to be kidding. Who would move to Iowa City by choice? > It's worse than Oklahoma. Oh my! I spent a month in Ok City one afternoon... > >>>>>> They have always been common. I see examples of them again and again > >>>>>> in virtually every newsgroup on USENET, including this one. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Oh my! I spent a month in Ok City one afternoon... That sounds like the start of a "Live forever" joke -- it's not forever, it just seems that way in OK. But an OK friend had a nice comeback. "Why do all the trees in OK lean toward Texas?" "Texas sucks". On Sep 6, 8:51 pm, "Peter Dohm" <lefty...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > "Mike" <nos...@microsoft.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Oh my! I spent a month in Ok City one afternoon... That sounds like the start of a "Live forever" joke -- it's not forever, it just seems that way in OK. But an OK friend had a nice comeback. "Why do all the trees in OK lean toward Texas?" "Texas sucks". I admit it. I laughed. Now I'm ashamed! > That sounds like the start of a "Live forever" joke -- it's not > forever, it just seems that way in OK. But an OK friend had a nice [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I admit it. I laughed. Now I'm ashamed! If it wasn't for Oklahoma truckers and Mexican whores, there would never have been a Texas. >> That sounds like the start of a "Live forever" joke -- it's not >> forever, it just seems that way in OK. But an OK friend had a nice [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If it wasn't for Oklahoma truckers and Mexican whores, there would never > have been a Texas. Ah, come on. Everyone knows Okies only marry their sisters and first cousins. > Ah, come on. Everyone knows Okies only marry their sisters and first > cousins. Just shows your ignorance about folklore is second only to your ignorance about flying. >> Ah, come on. Everyone knows Okies only marry their sisters and first >> cousins. > > Just shows your ignorance about folklore is second only to your ignorance > about flying. ...sez the 12 yr old flight sim "pilot". It's not my fault your family tree is a wreath, Okie. Stop blaming others for your faults. This might help you out: http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf > http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf Interesting document Mikey Mouth. Is that required reading where you are institutionalized, or are you just trying to understand Bertie? It would really make someone wonder how you came to be associated with such a study. >> http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It would really make someone wonder how you came to be associated with > such a study. Oh dear, who would have ever anticipated a clever repackaging of the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" line? I didn't see that one coming, kookboi. Your Okie wit is simply overwhelming and the rest of us stand in awe. >> Ah, come on. Everyone knows Okies only marry their sisters and first >> cousins. > > Just shows your ignorance about folklore is second only to your > ignorance about flying. That's not caled folklore in Okie, It's called evolution. Those whut fux their dogs call it intelijunt deeesahn. Bertie |
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