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Aviation Forum / General / Aviation / September 2008Suppose I wanted to fly to Angola...
I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. This made me curious about what it would take to do this in a private jet. I asked my CFII this question (he is type rated for the Citation I) and his answer was "Not in this Citation; it doesn't have the range." He did say that a friend delivered a Citation I to South Africa solo but it took him three days to get there. He's never personally flown to Africa so while he said he'd look into it I thought I'd ask here as someone might actually know. I am going to assume that there is some sweet spot on the range-speed- time-cost considerations based upon whatever the longest leg would have to be for various routes and the cost/time involved with stopping to refuel but I don't know much about this kind of aircraft, certainly not enough to plan a trip. I've never thought much about international flight so I am very curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this. TIA I forgot to include the destination. Let's assume the airport is LAD, the capital. es330td <es330td@gmail.com> wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9- 747b456f9e24@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs > to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I've never thought much about international flight so I am very > curious to see the suggestions for a flight like this. not sure what you're asking here. What kind of bizjet can do it? Most could do it with a stop or tow and some could do it direct... Bertie > es330td <es33...@gmail.com> wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9- > 747b456f9...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I'm trying to understand what reasonable options might be available. For example, a Citation I might be more fuel efficient than a Citation III but the III with the longer range can take routes that the I cannot because of the need to cross the Atlantic. Obviously if price was no object then a plane with 6,000 miles of range like a G-550 would be great but that is a very expensive plane as opposed to the Citation III that is only expensive in comparison. I guess I could back out a little and ask the question "What routes could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then determine on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that route. es330td <es330td@gmail.com> wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd- e82bec04abc3@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: >> es330td <es33...@gmail.com> wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9- >> 747b456f9...@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > could one take to fly to Angola from Atlanta, GA?" and then determine > on my own what planes could cover the longest single leg on that route. You could do it a number of ways, but it shouldn't be all hat hard to get there. There's a number of airline routes through new york and london in particular. Flying a bizjet there is fraught with difficulties and is not for the faint of heart or people inexperienced with flying in that part of the world. Flying a Short range jet like a Citation 1 or Corvette or similar would probably be more expensive than going in something that could do it in two hops.. Bertie | es330td <es330td@gmail.com> wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd- | e82bec04abc3@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] | | Bertie It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows. >| es330td <es330td@gmail.com> wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd- >| e82bec04abc3@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > It could also call someone, unlike you, that really knows. Uh yeh. Flown to africa? No? I have.. Bertie | >| es330td <es330td@gmail.com> wrote in news:264071cb-c9ee-4b12-b6bd- | >| e82bec04abc3@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] | | Bertie | es330td <es330td@gmail.com> wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9- | 747b456f9e24@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] | | Bertie You're not sure of a lot of things. >| es330td <es330td@gmail.com> wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9- >| 747b456f9e24@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > You're not sure of a lot of things. That's right. What I am sure of I am very sure of. You being a fjukktard, for instance. Bertie | >| es330td <es330td@gmail.com> wrote in news:bf911c1f-f7ad-4132-a9e9- | >| 747b456f9e24@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] | | Bertie > I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs > to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > TIA I asked Jane. She used to plan trips like this for Kaiser Air. It can be done, but it is going to take a few stops. However, flying into Angola itself is tricky. You will need permission not only to enter Angola, but also to overfly several somewhat hostile African nations. You will also need to arrange passports, visas, and security for plane, crew and passengers. Planning the return trip can be just as difficult. Not least is getting back into the USA. It could take months to plan a trip like this. There are flight service companies that specialize in handling the details of such flights. If it is your first trip, especially, you are best off relying on those who really know the business.  SignatureWaddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor On Sep 22, 5:02 pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs > > to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Waddling Eagle > World Famous Flight Instructor Normal route is either Atlanta-Johannesburg-Windhoek (Namibia) or to London-JoBurg-Windhoek and then to Luanda. Our guys usually get to Windhoek and the (privately-registered) company aircraft picks them up and takes them into interior Angola. I'm not sure if there's a reliable commercial carrier between Windhoek and Luanda. Bus service at least, I'd think. We flew the Calgary-London-JoBurg route last fall when travelling to SA and Botswana. British Airways and South African Express, both good outfits with good airplanes. SAX might have a flight to Luanda. Check their website. Dan On Sep 22, 9:27 pm, Dan_Thomas_nos...@yahoo.com wrote: > On Sep 22, 5:02 pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Dan South African Airways lists flights to Luanda as "Codeshare flights between airlines." Whatever that means. See: http://ww1.flysaa.com/fares/nav/en/en_frameset.html?contents=/fares/faresTDPDspS earch.jsp?NewSession=true&locale=en_ao&loadFrame=false Dan >> I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs >> to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and >> complained about the difficulty of flying there commercially. Maybe its THIS Angola..its not too far away Angola (also known as "The Farm") is the Louisiana State Penitentiary and is estimated to be one of the largest prisons in the U.S. with 5,000 inmates and 1,800 staff members. It is located on an 18,000 acre (73 km²) plantation that was once Angola owned by Isaac Franklin in unincorporated West Feliciana Parish close to the Mississippi border. Angola is surrounded on three sides by the Mississippi River. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_State_Penitentiary > I asked Jane. With or without Tarzan's approval? SignatureThat white softball comes at me. I am not afreed. I kill it. Over the fence I do this a lot. NO softball timidates me if after me. I kill it. http://www.usssa.com/sports/FindPlayerHistory.asp?PlaID=425527 On 2008-09-23 09:21:12 -0700, "Jason \"Warning Track\" Kendrick" <jason@combatbaseball.com> said: >> I asked Jane. > > With or without Tarzan's approval? Me Tarzan. SignatureWaddling Eagle World Famous Flight Instructor On Sep 22, 7:02 pm, C J Campbell <christophercampb...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I was talking recently with someone who said that their company needs > > to send a few (5-6) people to do some work in Angola from Atlanta and [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Remind me to never want to fly to Africa ;-) I figured doing this would be complex; clearly the way to go is pay a company to handle this for you. |
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