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Aviation Forum / General / Aviation / November 2008[Fwd: Re: What happened to Jay?]
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: What happened to Jay? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:50:09 GMT From: Mike <nospam @ aol.com> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting,misc.kids.tantrums Followup-To: misc.kids.tantrums References: <491b9848$0$5537$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com> <Xns9B5568EB8667GMS@194.177.96.26> <_aXSk.1134$mi4.273@nwrddc02.gnilink.net> <AP_Sk.5775$e5.749@newsfe01.iad> <gfi5af$ebv$1@aioe.org> "Morgans" <jsmorgan@charterJUNK.net> wrote in message news:gfi5af$ebv$1@aioe.org... > "GetALifeMike" <fuckstick@PissOnYou.com> wrote in message > news:AP_Sk.5775$e5.749@newsfe01.iad... >> What is it like living each day of your pathetic >> life as a Narcissistic Prick with a Napoleon >> complex Mike? > > You and mike need to take at least half of the blame for yourselves. Half the blame for what, Jim? Running off Jay? Try explaining that one. For posting too many off topic posts kinda like this entire thread? Jay posted more off topic than on topic and fanned those flames as much as anyone. For being argumentative? Jay was the king of the non sequitur. For being abrasive? Hmmm, Jay would never do that, would he? Jay left because he wanted to make some kind of pathetic statement. What that statement was is anyone's guess. Wherever he is now, he will do the same after a few months. He gets off over trying to paint himself as some type of victim. Pissing and moaning is his nature, kinda like you. He's just a bit better at it. So just trying explaining just precisely what I am to blame for, if you can. Jay was a whiney little girl that pissed and moaned when he didn't get his way and finally stomped off in the childish manner that has always defined him. The NG is far better off without him. The only problem was not all of his fanboyz followed, unfortunately. So no matter how many times you want to proclaim this NG is dead, much to your chagrin people are still posting about aviation instead of how Jr is not pissing his pants anymore. So do tell me how I am to "blame" for breaking up Jay's private little tea party. I'll be glad to do more of it. > Get a life? Pot, Kettle, Black. This is not the Jay I know. I do not remember the one you describe.  SignatureRegards, Ross C-172F 180HP KSWI > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: What happened to Jay? [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > C-172F 180HP > KSWI FWIW, I don't remember him that way either. > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: Re: What happened to Jay? [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > FWIW, I don't remember him that way either. Well, I can't explain why you don't, Dudley. The fact is, Jay was abrasive, he was argumentative, he did frequently contribute to OT subjects, and before he left, he pissed and moaned incessantly about what the NG "had become". Perhaps you didn't notice because you have spent all this time generally authoring meaningful posts and not engaging in much of the back and forth about what a NG should nor should not be, and in that regard you have been one of the more level headed posters here. I equate people who piss and moan about a usenet NG to those who piss and moan about the moderation on a moderated forum. The value of usenet is anyone can contribute anything they want without any censorship. Jay left because he couldn't deal with that reality. One thing you can say about Jay was he finally did actually leave, even if it was after weeks of pissing and moaning. Some other posters here simply want to continue to piss and moan ad nauseum. I can almost guarantee that Jay will eventually be back. He always shamelessly promoting his business, and as that business falls off, he'll come back. If you notice, even though he promise to remove his beloved "Rogue's Gallery", it's still there on his website just where it always was. Bullshit Mikey Mouth, you just disagreed with him like everyone else you target. You're the classic 2 year old. If you don't get your way, you try to make everyone miserable. > Bullshit Mikey Mouth, you just disagreed with him like everyone else you > target. > > You're the classic 2 year old. If you don't get your way, you try to make > everyone miserable. Is this just another typical bout of your unintentional stupidity, Maxie, or were you trying to actually go somewhere with this incoherent nonsense? Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Okie. | > Bullshit Mikey Mouth, you just disagreed with him like everyone else you | > target. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | were you trying to actually go somewhere with this incoherent nonsense? | Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, Okie. Thanks for a current example to support my statement. > | > Bullshit Mikey Mouth, you just disagreed with him like everyone else > you [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Thanks for a current example to support my statement. No problem. I always enjoy pointing out exactly what type of slack jaw rube you really are. No thanks are required. Just keep being you. >> Bullshit Mikey Mouth, you just disagreed with him like everyone else >> you target. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > incoherent nonsense? Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through > life, Okie. You're wrong,. if your'e an Okie, it;s the only way. Bertie > Bullshit Mikey Mouth, you just disagreed with him like everyone else > you target. > > You're the classic 2 year old. If you don't get your way, you try to > make everyone miserable. Pretty easy to make you miserable kookie boi. Oh wait, you like be swatted. My bad Bertie > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: What happened to Jay? [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > I do not remember the one you describe. Perhaps this will refresh your memory.... http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.piloting/browse_thread/thread/5d4815 aaa01dc934/da7b458e981a8573 > This is not the Jay I know. > > I do not remember the one you describe. Nope. Private pissing matches between the poster you responded to and other immature posters has far more to do with destroying harmony within the group than one social introvert that insists simming is superior could ever do. Jay's only major fault is that he loved talking about aviation, and sometimes other issues of life dear to him, too much. SignatureJim in NC >> This is not the Jay I know. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the group than one social introvert that insists simming is superior could > ever do. If that were indeed true, you are truly more pathetic than you realize and you have much bigger problems you should be concerned with. > Jay's only major fault is that he loved talking about aviation, and > sometimes other issues of life dear to him, too much. That was far from Jay's only major fault. | >> This is not the Jay I know. | >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | | That was far from Jay's only major fault. Yeah, like a moron like you is qualified to judge anyone! > | >> This is not the Jay I know. > | >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Yeah, like a moron like you is qualified to judge anyone! ...sez the pot.... >| >> This is not the Jay I know. >| >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Yeah, like a moron like you is qualified to judge anyone! God I love usenet. Bertie > > This is not the Jay I know. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > -- > Jim in NC I agree. Jay is guilty of nothing more than loving aviation and taking huge pride in both his business and his family. He posted aggressively on these subjects and attracted a cadre of dissenters. It happens on Usenet as both you and I are well aware. Jay took much pleasure in inviting people from this forum who he thought were friends rather than adversaries to his hotel for a party each year before Oshkosh. It was an annual event and he and Mary expended much effort in making it fun for everyone who attended. I have never seen Jay's posting about his hotel, or his discussing his web site as his spamming of the forum. I see his decision to leave here as unfortunate both for him AND for the forum; for Jay, as he left a group he genuinely liked, and for the forum, because what happened here should never have happened. Once it started, it became a self fulfilling on going action and reaction that was destined to end badly, which is exactly how it ended. Dudley Henriques I agree. Jay is guilty of nothing more than loving aviation and taking huge pride in both his business and his family. He posted aggressively on these subjects and attracted a cadre of dissenters. It happens on Usenet as both you and I are well aware. Jay took much pleasure in inviting people from this forum who he thought were friends rather than adversaries to his hotel for a party each year before Oshkosh. It was an annual event and he and Mary expended much effort in making it fun for everyone who attended. I have never seen Jay's posting about his hotel, or his discussing his web site as his spamming of the forum. I see his decision to leave here as unfortunate both for him AND for the forum; for Jay, as he left a group he genuinely liked, and for the forum, because what happened here should never have happened. Once it started, it became a self fulfilling on going action and reaction that was destined to end badly, which is exactly how it ended. Dudley Henriques --------------------------------------------------------------------- There is nothing self fulfilling about some bastard child like your friend Buttlipps, hounding someone's every post until they leave. It's just a 2 year old's method of moderating the group. > I agree. Jay is guilty of nothing more than loving aviation and taking > huge pride in both his business and his family. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Buttlipps, hounding someone's every post until they leave. It's just a 2 > year old's method of moderating the group. As you seem prone to misjudge most everything else, you have seriously misjudged my so called "relationship" with Bertie the Bunyip. Sorry to disappoint you, but Berttie and I are a completely "neutral" relationship on this forum. If you have some reference you can post to disavow this comment, please feel free to post it below. You're "problem" lies elsewhere my friend, but that isn't what it's all about anyway is it now? :-)) DH >> I agree. Jay is guilty of nothing more than loving aviation and taking >> huge pride in both his business and his family. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > all about anyway is it now? :-)) > DH He's a denigrator, a troll, killfile him with News Proxy, I have the filters. SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com > >> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Bear Bottoms > website:http://bearware.com Hi Bear; Ole' Maxwell and I go way back. He like to under post me in a constant attempt to generate some fun for himself. No biggie. I know both him and his antics well. :-)) DH >>>> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > and his antics well. :-)) > DH Don't lower yourself. Alright, I can see you mean well. Then keep your present state of affairs. I will support. SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com >>> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >>> reaction that was destined to end badly, which is exactly how it >>> ended. Dudley Henriques --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> There is nothing self fulfilling about some bastard child like your >>> friend Buttlipps, hounding someone's every post until they leave. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > He's a denigrator, a troll, killfile him with News Proxy, I have the > filters. Good boi. Bertie On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote: > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Buttlipps, hounding someone's every post until they leave. It's just a 2 > year old's method of moderating the group. As you seem prone to misjudge most everything else, you have seriously misjudged my so called "relationship" with Bertie the Bunyip. Sorry to disappoint you, but Berttie and I are a completely "neutral" relationship on this forum. If you have some reference you can post to disavow this comment, please feel free to post it below. You're "problem" lies elsewhere my friend, but that isn't what it's all about anyway is it now? :-)) DH ------------------------------------------------------------- Bullshit again. You relationship with Buttlipps is well documented for anyone that has followed this forum, or wants to do a search. > On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Bullshit again. You relationship with Buttlipps is well documented for > anyone that has followed this forum, or wants to do a search. How bout YOU doing that search and posting the results. I have nothing for or against Bertie. He does his thing and I do mine. We don't necessarily like or hate each other. Now YOU go search and find just ONE post....just ONE post, where I have joined Bertie in attacking someone, belittling someone, or even hassling someone, and we'll ALL see once and for all just who has all the bull sh.t around here. Go get um Maxie! Now's your chance!!!! Show the world about how Bertie and I are such "buddies" on this forum. Or are we simply to see one more of your constant bullshit posts saying that something about someone is true but with no backup to substantiate it? :-)) DH >> On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > substantiate it? :-)) > DH Don't feed the troll. It lowers you. Affects your character. what you have left. SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com > >> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > Bear Bottoms > website:http://bearware.com You'll find I post as I see fit, as I'm sure you do as well, and don't bother yourself with my character. It's just fine. Psst. You're replying to a spoofer. It's not the real nutbag. > Psst. You're replying to a spoofer. It's not the real nutbag. Just practicing my typing :-) >> Psst. You're replying to a spoofer. It's not the real nutbag. > > Just practicing my typing :-) Glad I could be of service. :) SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com > On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote: >> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > Bullshit again. You relationship with Buttlipps is well documented for > anyone that has followed this forum, or wants to do a search. I have no relationship with Dudley. My name is not Buttlips, it is Bear Bottoms. Period. SignatureBear "Cocaine 4 Kids" Bottoms; Google Me! Freeware Website http://bewareofbearware.info | > On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote: | >> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message news:54c910f1-83f9-4cfc-ac0f-fbbffcb04286@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com... | >> I agree. Jay is guilty of nothing more than loving aviation and taking | >> huge pride in both his business and his family. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] | | Period. I wasn't talking about you, and unless you are a wolf in sheep's clothing, I know nothing about you. > | > On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote: > | >> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > I wasn't talking about you, and unless you are a wolf in sheep's clothing, I > know nothing about you. Almost too much to "Bear" isn't it Maxie? :-))) >>| > On Nov 15, 2:12 pm, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote: >>| >> "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Almost too much to "Bear" isn't it Maxie? :-))) LOL! The Great Warrior Dudley Dewright Henriques, now talking troll. Query this. A canard wing and a main wing (on a Cozy IV) reverse the rules of decolage (compared to a Cessna 150x). Yes? SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com > >> "Bear Bottoms" <bearsbot...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > Bear Bottoms > website:http://bearware.com If you are asking me if the angles of incidence between the tail and wing combination and canard and wing combination on the Cozy are different on each type I'll refer you to Nat Puffer. I don't like being grilled by people who by the fact they are grilling me think I don't know the answer to their question. Thank you >> LOL! The Great Warrior Dudley Dewright Henriques, now talking troll. >> Query this. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > wing combination and canard and wing combination on the Cozy are > different on each type I'll refer you to Nat Puffer. I'm asking whether or not you understand the rules of decalage as they apply to a pusher. Do they operate on the same principles of decalage as they do in a Cessna? Or not? > I don't like > being grilled by people who by the fact they are grilling me think I > don't know the answer to their question. I won't know if you know the answer until you answer it. Left my crystal ball in Baton Rouge. SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com > >> LOL! The Great Warrior Dudley Dewright Henriques, now talking troll. > >> Query this. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Bear Bottoms > website:http://bearware.com You're missing my point. I don't give a rat's a.s what you know and what you don't know. I'm telling you I don't play these little games with people named Bear Bottoms on Usenet. Tell you what. You have my permission to assume I don't know the answer to your "question". How's that? You want to discuss flying with me, you email me back channel so I know who you are and why you want the answer. THEN we'll talk. Until then, get lost! >>> If you are asking me if the angles of incidence between the tail and >>> wing combination and canard and wing combination on the Cozy are [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > what you don't know. I'm telling you I don't play these little games > with people named Bear Bottoms on Usenet. My life is an open book. You cannot deny. I have more evidence of who I am and what I have piloted than you. This upsets you. Too tough. > Tell you what. You have my permission to assume I don't know the > answer to your "question". How's that? I don't need your permission to see that you don't know the answer. Prove me wrong. I can be wrong. > You want to discuss flying with > me, you email me back channel so I know who you are and why you want > the answer. THEN we'll talk. Until then, get lost! My life is all over the Internet. You, I don't see or know much about. Back channels are for hiders. I don't hide. SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com > Bear Bottoms > website:http://bearware.com I'd suggest if you really want to be taken seriously you'd not have a broken webpage > > Bear Bottoms > > website:http://bearware.com > > I'd suggest if you really want to be taken seriously you'd not have a > broken webpage Found this gem in another thread. Bear "Cocaine 4 Kids" Bottoms; Google Me! Freeware Website http://bewareofbearware.info I won't talk flying with idiots who feel the need to use the phrase "cocaine 4 kids" in a sentence on an aviation forum. My personal wish is that this moron takes his crap elsewhere. Dudley Henriques > I won't talk flying with idiots who feel the need to use the phrase > "cocaine 4 kids" in a sentence on an aviation forum. > My personal wish is that this moron takes his crap elsewhere. > Dudley Henriques You may wish. Denigrators and those who live on their past pseudo-glories do. I am real, anyone can find me, who I am, where I have piloted. You are slim known. And an evader. I see others have you as an evader, one who talks the talk but walks like a crab. SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com >> Bear Bottoms >> website:http://bearware.com > > I'd suggest if you really want to be taken seriously you'd not have a > broken webpage Try this. http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/ProRev/bottoms.htm SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com >> Bear Bottoms >> website:http://bearware.com > > I'd suggest if you really want to be taken seriously you'd not have a > broken webpage Pay no attention, george, I will smite this reptile once and for all! >>> Bear Bottoms >>> website:http://bearware.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Pay no attention, george, I will smite this reptile once and for all! To Dudley Henriques. ACF has endured Bear Bottoms for about 3 years. It tried to get rid of him but he won't go. If you or your friends can manage that it would be impressive. Many will thank you. ... ACF correspondent Signaturereporting on ACF to keep the peace > >> Bear Bottoms > >> website:http://bearware.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pay no attention, george, I will smite this reptile once and for all! The referenced post did not come from me. Dudley Henriques > >> Bear Bottoms > >> website:http://bearware.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pay no attention, george, I will smite this reptile once and for all! Not worth it Dudley. Any-one who has a broken webpage in its sig has to be several sandwiches short of a cut lunch > > >> Bear Bottoms > > >> website:http://bearware.com [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Any-one who has a broken webpage in its sig has to be several > sandwiches short of a cut lunch The 'pay no attention" post wasn't mine but shows as mine. Interesting!!! Dudley Henriques >>> Bear Bottoms >>> website:http://bearware.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pay no attention, george, I will smite this reptile once and for all! Go gettem, Dudley!! <I can see the cavalry of Canuckie mounts just like a dream> On Nov 16, 2:35 pm, Donavan Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond <chopofftheDONOVANJHAMM...@GMAIL.COMsmallletters> wrote: > >>> Bear Bottoms > >>> website:http://bearware.com [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > <I can see the cavalry of Canuckie mounts just like a dream> This wasn't written by me. Don't know how it got here but it wasn't my hand that wrote this sentence. DH >>> Bear Bottoms >>> website:http://bearware.com [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pay no attention, george, I will smite this reptile once and for all! Ever flown a pusher, a Velocity in particular, henriques? No? Then STFU. SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh On Nov 16, 2:54 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> wrote: > >>> Bear Bottoms > >>> website:http://bearware.com [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > -- > Meet Ari!http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh You are dealing with a statement made by someone else. I don't use words like "smite" :-) ...and yes, I've flown a pusher, but not the Cozy or a Rutan design. DH > On Nov 16, 2:54 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > ...and yes, I've flown a pusher, but not the Cozy or a Rutan design. > DH Then STFU about canards. SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh On Nov 16, 9:13 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> wrote: > > On Nov 16, 2:54 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > -- > Meet Ari!http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh You REALLY are a f.cking nitwit aren't you? :-)) > On Nov 16, 9:13 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > You REALLY are a f.cking nitwit aren't you? :-)) If your chest puffed out any farther, you's explode your heart, like I said, STFU about canards or answer the question Bottoms proposed To wit: "I'm asking whether or not you understand the rules of decalage as they apply to a pusher. Do they operate on the same principles of decalage as they do in a Cessna? Or not?" If/when you guess wrong, no worries, I'll be right here to pick your a.s up and set you straight. SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh On Nov 16, 10:09 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> wrote: > > On Nov 16, 9:13 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > -- > Meet Ari!http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh Why sure you will Maxie. We all know that already. :-)) >> If your chest puffed out any farther, you's explode your heart, like I >> said, STFU about canards or answer the question Bottoms proposed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Why sure you will Maxie. We all know that already. :-)) Let's get this straight, Duds. Maxie/Maqxwell/Mx or whomever is your troll X to bear. My posting history (Ari Silverstein) is years on. http://tinyurl.com/62bdpz and that's just alt.privacy. Contact me at aris@ccrny.com anytime you have the ballz. Soooooo, you want to skip out on the decalage? Now back to calling you out. I'm asking whether or not you understand the rules of decalage as they apply to a pusher. Do they operate on the same principles of decalage as they do in a Cessna? Or not?" SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh >>> If your chest puffed out any farther, you's explode your heart, like I >>> said, STFU about canards or answer the question Bottoms proposed [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > they apply to a pusher. Do they operate on the same principles of > decalage as they do in a Cessna? Or not?" He is a recreational pilot. No wars, no real hard times, fun in the sun roll about acro. A denigrator and a big shot.... with no shot SignatureBear Bottoms website: http://bearware.com On Nov 17, 2:03 am, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> wrote: > >> If your chest puffed out any farther, you's explode your heart, like I > >> said, STFU about canards or answer the question Bottoms proposed [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > -- > Meet Ari!http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh I'm curious about something. Do idiots like you actually believe that people who ignore these Usenet "challenges" people like you put out here supposedly to embarrass them are proving to the world that they don't know the answers to your questions? Seriously.......I've always wondered how your minds work? You actually believe that if you throw out some "gauntlet" and it's refused, that this constitutes irrefutable proof on two levels...the first being that YOU know the answer, and secondly that the person refusing to answer the question does NOT? Interesting.......sophomoric perhaps, but interesting. Let's see how YOU do in this idiotic format shall we? Consider the following; An F14 at 420 KCAS, 15K, in a level turn at military. As the g is increased, drag increases as it's square. At about 5.5g, induced drag has increased by a factor of 25. At this point, T-D=0 and Ps=0. If g is decreased the F14 will WHAT? . If we pull harder, WHAT WILL HAPPEN? Fun isn't it? :-))) Dudley Henriques > On Nov 17, 2:03 am, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > I'm curious about something. Ooook, let's try something simpler. Extending the flaps while the engine is at high power, this would be: 1) appropriate 2) Something you did for years 3) Idiocy I can get simpler if you want. SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh > On Nov 17, 2:03 am, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > here supposedly to embarrass them are proving to the world that they > don't know the answers to your questions? Proof-pudding > Seriously.......I've always wondered how your minds work? You actually > believe that if you throw out some "gauntlet" and it's refused, that > this constitutes irrefutable proof on two levels...the first being > that YOU know the answer, and secondly that the person refusing to > answer the question does NOT? Proof-pudding > Interesting.......sophomoric perhaps, but interesting. > Let's see how YOU do in this idiotic format shall we? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > increased, drag increases as it's square. At about 5.5g, induced > drag has increased by a factor of 25. Incorrect. Next? SignatureThey say your heroes reflect the quantity and fullness of your life. I have three, hummingbird, Bear Botttoms and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I have no life <sigh> On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Payton Byrd <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Nov 17, 2:03 am, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Next? Thank you. Exactly the expected response. Now since you have said this is an incorrect statement and it is in fact correct, you are now asked to post a "corrected" answer so everyone with a 3rd grade education can see how right you are :-)) Fun isn't it? Dudley Henriques > On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Payton Byrd > <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > Fun isn't it? > Dudley Henriques Dudley, is it really necessary for you to go outside the rec.aviation groups in order to pull new trolls in? Seriously? >> On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Payton Byrd >> <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Seriously? Old, bored, washed-up...what else has he got to do? SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh >>> On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Payton Byrd >>> <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Old, bored, washed-up...what else has he got to do? Waking up from a coma can really throw some hard truths at you. SignatureThey say your heroes reflect the quantity and fullness of your life. I have three, hummingbird, Bear Botttoms and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I have no life <sigh> > > On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Payton Byrd > > <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Seriously? I take it you are referencing the cross posting? These idiots were here LONG before they discovered me, so go shout at someone else. "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message news:ba43dfe8-1d16-4e26-9f05- I take it you are referencing the cross posting? These idiots were here LONG before they discovered me, so go shout at someone else. -------------------------------------- The cross posting and related idiots are all thanks to your kissing kousin Bertie. While you, Stealth, Viperdoc, Rich Ahrens, Robert M Gary, Frank Olsen, Peter Dohm, romeomike, Andy Hawkins, gatt, and many other were activly encouraging his nonsense - his cross posting was advertising this group to the entire kook world. You are all reaping exactly what you have sowed. A fitting end to all your egos and nonsense. > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > You are all reaping exactly what you have sowed. A fitting end to all your > egos and nonsense. Why hello Maxie. Still in the dark are you? Still thinking that Usenet is as important to others, or I should specifically say to ME as it is to you? I can't speak for anyone else, but as for me personally.......... Sorry ole boy. Some of us out here have lives. We come here to play, and for no other reason. Most of us have long ago discovered the uses and uselessness of Usenet. Trust me; when serious talk is made in aviation, it AIN'T made here on these forums :-) On Nov 17, 11:50 am, "Maxwell" <#$$9#@%%%.^^^> wrote: > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > You are all reaping exactly what you have sowed. A fitting end to all your > egos and nonsense. Why hello Maxie. Still in the dark are you? Still thinking that Usenet is as important to others, or I should specifically say to ME as it is to you? I can't speak for anyone else, but as for me personally.......... Sorry ole boy. Some of us out here have lives. We come here to play, and for no other reason. Most of us have long ago discovered the uses and uselessness of Usenet. Trust me; when serious talk is made in aviation, it AIN'T made here on these forums :-) ------------------------------------------------------------ Can't you find some place else to masturbate. The uselessnet was made so, by you and your ilk. > > On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Payton Byrd > > <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > Seriously? Let me give you some friendly advice. You post crap like this to me or anyone else on Usenet and all you do is create one more person who marks you as the same idiot you have just attempted to mark them; net result is no further meaningful contact between you such as will be the case now here with me. Usenet is Usenet. You take it as it exists at any moment in time or you get out. It's that simple. The only other option is to become a constant "bitch" and complain and preach to others as you are doing here. If you do this, you use as much bandwidth as the people you are "correcting" and the result of these "corrections" are almost always counter productive to your intent. I suggest that you do what millions of others who frequent these forums do when it comes to this kind of thing. Just suck it up and shut your mouth. On Usenet, nobody cares what you think. Nobody cares what I think. It's a cesspool. If you died today, no one would really care. If I died today, no one would really care. Your "friends" would put in a small post that reads something like "God speed. He will be missed", and your enemies would post something like "Thank God that Son-of-a-bitch is dead. He was an opinionated rotten bastard who thought he knew everything. I'm glad he's gone". It's just Usenet old buddy, and that's the way it is! These forums long ago became what they are now, so if you come across posting from me, or anyone else around here that pisses you off, just filter out these people. Posting like you just did to me is a totally useless waste of time; yours for writing it; mine for answering it as I just did; and others who read it. Just take my name Dudley Henriques, and create a killfile and you're all done. Now on the other hand, if you want to join the ranks of those who post these endless off topic posts on Usenet (and this is indeed one of those) then just join up as you have just done. But be advised that all you have done is join the ranks. Welcome aboard! Now if you want to continue asking me stupid questions like you just did prompting this answer, be my guest, but I can tell you up front, anything useful both of us might have gained from exchanging dialog with each other will go right down the ole Usenet toilet. I hope this is clear enough for you. Dudley Henriques "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message news:d69f5927-791b-404c-89df- Major blather snipped before being read -> No, when you abuse people you do not know, YOU create your own destiny. Enjoy it, your own behavior has earned it. Until you, and your ilk, learn to make room for everyone's opinion, you will be the breeder of trolls. > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Until you, and your ilk, learn to make room for everyone's opinion, you will > be the breeder of trolls. So tell us Maxie, and I mean in some aviation sense that is, what IS your opinion on something related to flying.........anything??????????? I can't recall you ever posting anything as an aviation opinion that would spark genuine on topic and respectful response. Please feel free to correct this if I'm mistaken and post an example that explains your premise so people can see how your aviation opinions have been disrespected? SURELY you have an example of this unfortunate behavior????? Waiting. DH > > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Waiting. > DH Maxie has never been anything other than a wannabe. He may have tried to post on topic at one time, but it was quickly revealed that he didn't know a dog turd from beans about avaition. He's been nothing more than a pot stirrer ever since, and not really even a good one at that. >> On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Payton Byrd >> <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > Seriously? He wasn't the one who originally crossposted this thread and is no more guilty of what you allege than you are, Einstein. >>> Consider the following; >>> An F14 at 420 KCAS, 15K, in a level turn at military. As the g is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Fun isn't it? > Dudley Henriques 5.5 squared does not equal 25 regardless of what drag (induced, etc) you care to blither on about. Fun, isn't it? SignatureThey say your heroes reflect the quantity and fullness of your life. I have three, hummingbird, Bear Botttoms and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I have no life <sigh> On Nov 17, 10:23 am, Payton Byrd <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Consider the following; > >>> An F14 at 420 KCAS, 15K, in a level turn at military. As the g is [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I > have no life <sigh> You missed the term "increasing" I'm afraid. 5.5 squared is 30.5, which is fine for pure math, but not fine for a turning F14 with a linear expanding g profile. The 25 figure as stated in the assumption is correct within the problem. Fun isn't it? > On Nov 17, 10:23 am, Payton Byrd > <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > The 25 figure as stated in the assumption is correct within the > problem. Call me when any calculator squares 5.5 to get 25. Thanks for playing. Signaturehttp://www.bushflash.com/idiot.html > On Nov 17, 10:23 am, Payton Byrd > <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Fun isn't it? Sir, please sir. The Ps value is far too low. > > On Nov 17, 10:23 am, Payton Byrd > > <anotherfinemessyougotmei...@gmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Sir, please sir. The Ps value is far too low. Good try but no cigar I'm afraid. No Ps value is possible for ANY aircraft without the inclusion of altitude in the equation. Ps can be positive or negative anywhere in the envelope not on the Ps= 0 line for the aircraft, BUT establishing that Ps value in any turn is directly related to the altitude where the turn parameters are in play. I have no idea who you're trying to impress here, but you unfortunately picked the wrong guy :-) The purpose of my work with the Turkey was related to EM :-)) If you want to talk energy maneuverability be my guest. Dudley Henriques >> On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote >> in <news:60ccd111-02f8-4eae-bb7a-582816c86b45 [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > turn is directly related to the altitude where the turn parameters > are in play. I see that now. Ok. My mistake. > I have no idea who you're trying to impress here, but you > unfortunately picked the wrong guy :-) The purpose of my work with > the Turkey was related to EM :-)) You asked a question. I thought I could answer it. I got it wrong but I'd like another go! You don't give altitude so I will assume it. You made me re-examine where I went wrong with Ps. And look up some F-14 specs. Specific excess power Ps is delta energy with delta time. Accounting for induced drag which the question focuses on then (assumming weight is approx 55 klbs) at that state I say you would get acceleration. Going over the various possibilities it seemed (not entirely sure) that greater thrust should encounter even greater drag and so airspeed could fall. Am I getting closer? > If you want to talk energy maneuverability be my guest. > Dudley Henriques That's for a John Boyd! What a maverick. I couldn't hope to match his stunts to highlight E-M. > >> On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote > >> in <news:60ccd111-02f8-4eae-bb7a-582816c86b45 [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > That's for a John Boyd! What a maverick. I couldn't hope to match his > stunts to highlight E-M. Sorry for my offensive post. Things have been nuts around here lately with all these characters and I thought you might be another one :-) Yes, your second try is exactly right. In the example given, if the g is decreased the Turkey will accelerate which is the answer to the first question, and if the g is increased, airspeed will fall victim to drag. Another way to present the "problem" would be as follows, only this time including the altitude which as you have correctly surmised, gives us a Ps figure for the F14. In our example, the Turkey is at T- D=0 which = Ps=0 or on the Ps equals zero line for the F14. An F14 at 420 KCAS, 15K, in a level turn at military. As the g is increased, drag increases as it's square. At about 5.5g, induced drag has increased by a factor of 25. At this point, T-D=0 and Ps=0. If g is decreased the F14 will accelerate. If we pull harder, airspeed will drop off. Thank you for explaining your post instead of reacting to my over aggressive response to you. Dudley Henriques >>>> On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote >>>> in <news:60ccd111-02f8-4eae-bb7a-582816c86b45 [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > aggressive response to you. > Dudley Henriques Ben's a doll. Really. SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh >>> On Tue 18 Nov08 06:59, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Really. You see! I didn't forget all the theory you showed me. > Another way to present the "problem" would be as follows, only this > time including the altitude which as you have correctly surmised, > gives us a Ps figure for the F14. In our example, the Turkey is at T- > D=0 which = Ps=0 or on the Ps equals zero line for the F14. That would help. Like, a lot. Signaturehttp://preview.tinyurl.com/6glxm9 On Tue 18 Nov08 10:20, Dudley Henriques <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in <news:70dbc7c0-4e28-4e1b-8245-119e5428ec32 @g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com >> >> On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> >> >> wrote in <news:60ccd111-02f8-4eae-bb7a-582816c86b45 [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > aggressive response to you. > Dudley Henriques DH, thanks for the explanation. No problem with your hasty reaction. Ari can be a little hasty too. Service leaves some with PTSD and others, like Ari, with sharpened responses. One should not seek to blame former combatants for a normal reaction to the abnormal circumstances they have dealt with. Civilians devalue quick decisive responses because many who have never seen action learn to value politeness even if masks ineffectiveness. In the past, Ari has given me texts on aircraft dynamics and answered a lot of my technical questions. It's where most of my A.D. theory comes from. He's a good guy. Just ignore his direct manner because those same reflexes are what make him good in a crisis. I looked you up. You have quite a background in E-M. Franklin > On Tue 18 Nov08 10:20, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in > <news:70dbc7c0-4e28-4e1b-8245-119e5428ec32 [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > > Franklin With all the fuss that's going on in the forum these days I'm not quite sure who Ari is or why he posts under me in such an aggressive manner. I've just assumed he was one more of the trolls attacking me each day or even the same one with a different handle. As the founder of a service organization I have a great deal of personal respect for any vet. Perhaps whatever it was that angered him will work itself out. I'll give it a shot anyway, on your authority :-) Dudley Henriques >> In the past, Ari has given me texts on aircraft dynamics and answered >> a lot of my technical questions. It's where most of my A.D. theory [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Franklin > With all the fuss that's going on in the forum these days I'm not > quite sure who Ari is or why he posts under me in such an aggressive [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'll give it a shot anyway, on your authority :-) > Dudley Henriques Back up there Doodley, you're the one who claimed I was one of your resident trollwits: > Why sure you will Maxie. We all know that already. :-)) I answered: "Let's get this straight, Duds. Maxie/Maqxwell/Mx or whomever is your troll X to bear. My posting history (Ari Silverstein) is years on. http://tinyurl.com/62bdpz and that's just alt.privacy. Contact me at aris@ccrny.com anytime you have the ballz. Soooooo, you want to skip out on the decalage? Now back to calling you out. I'm asking whether or not you understand the rules of decalage as they apply to a pusher. Do they operate on the same principles of decalage as they do in a Cessna? Or not?" I'm me, you're wrong and the decalage question remains unanswered. SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh On Nov 17, 11:07 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> wrote: > >> In the past, Ari has given me texts on aircraft dynamics and answered > >> a lot of my technical questions. It's where most of my A.D. theory [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > -- > Meet Ari!http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh You're right I did. If I was mistaken I'm sorry. If I was right, you can chalk up one for your side :-) Anyway, let's assume I was wrong and give it another shot. I'm a bit jumpy these days with all the idiots roaming around here. If you're ligit, you will know exactly what I mean. Let's taxi back to the beginning of the runway and try things on for size again shall we? Perhaps we;ll have better luck this time.............and don't call me Doodley. My father called me that and it almost ended up a damn call sign! Dudley > On Nov 17, 11:07 pm, Ari <DROPTheJooseIsLo...@gmail.comCAPITALLETTERS> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > and it almost ended up a damn call sign! > Dudley Aw, garsh, I think you're a sweetie! SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh > In the past, Ari has given me texts on aircraft dynamics and answered > a lot of my technical questions. It's where most of my A.D. theory > comes from. He's a good guy. Just ignore his direct manner because > those same reflexes are what make him good in a crisis. Something you have to do to get to the "bottoms" of things, right Ben? SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh >> In the past, Ari has given me texts on aircraft dynamics and answered >> a lot of my technical questions. It's where most of my A.D. theory >> comes from. He's a good guy. Just ignore his direct manner because >> those same reflexes are what make him good in a crisis. > > Something you have to do to get to the "bottoms" of things, right Ben? Bottoms? Bottoms? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SignatureThey say your heroes reflect the quantity and fullness of your life. I have three, hummingbird, Bear Botttoms and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I have no life <sigh> >> In the past, Ari has given me texts on aircraft dynamics and answered >> a lot of my technical questions. It's where most of my A.D. theory >> comes from. He's a good guy. Just ignore his direct manner because >> those same reflexes are what make him good in a crisis. > > Something you have to do to get to the "bottoms" of things, right Ben? Hi Ari-el, I figured DH hadn't understood your background so I filled in a bit of it. Hope you don't mind. Hey, you know I'm a nice guy. Don't like trouble unless it's deserved. Making cocaine runs and watching others go down to save your skin merits a decent punch up. A couple of misunderstood posts, well, they just aren't worth it. >>> In the past, Ari has given me texts on aircraft dynamics and answered >>> a lot of my technical questions. It's where most of my A.D. theory [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Hi Ari-el, I figured DH hadn't understood your background so I filled in > a bit of it. Hope you don't mind. Nooooooooo, not a bit, Ben. > Hey, you know I'm a nice guy. Don't like trouble unless it's deserved. > Making cocaine runs and watching others go down to save your skin merits > a decent punch up. I'd say do to Bottoms absence that he got something of that, yes. > A couple of misunderstood posts, well, they just > aren't worth it. Nope, sure not. SignatureMeet Ari! http://preview.tinyurl.com/3wh3hh > On Tue 18 Nov08 10:20, Dudley Henriques <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in > <news:70dbc7c0-4e28-4e1b-8245-119e5428ec32 [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > comes from. He's a good guy. Just ignore his direct manner because > those same reflexes are what make him good in a crisis. I am in a financial crisis. What good is he to me? > I looked you up. You have quite a background in E-M. > > Franklin >> In the past, Ari has given me texts on aircraft dynamics and answered >> a lot of my technical questions. It's where most of my A.D. theory >> comes from. He's a good guy. Just ignore his direct manner because >> those same reflexes are what make him good in a crisis. > > I am in a financial crisis. What good is he to me? He's a Jew with lotsa money. SignatureThey say your heroes reflect the quantity and fullness of your life. I have three, hummingbird, Bear Botttoms and Me.Here, the Triumvirate. Alas, now measured by said axiom, I have no life <sigh> > > >> On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote > > >> in <news:60ccd111-02f8-4eae-bb7a-582816c86b45 [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > aggressive response to you. > Dudley Henriques Is there ever a time when pulling more g does not rob airspeed? I've not experienced any case where more g does not take energy... Cheers > > > >> On Mon 17 Nov08 23:30, Dudley Henriques <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote > > > >> in <news:60ccd111-02f8-4eae-bb7a-582816c86b45 [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > Cheers The ability to pull g will produce a lot of things including turn rate and radius depending on where the aircraft is in relation to it's specific excess power available. You will lose airspeed to g as induced drag increases, so an energy loss as you have indicated. Thrust is the equalizer if available. The combination of all these factors determines where the aircraft is at any moment in three dimensional space. Create positive g and counter that with thrust and you have a positive Ps and the ability to accelerate, turn or climb in that area of your envelope. Create g that can't be countered by thrust and you do indeed lose airspeed. The turn you are generating drags the aircraft back toward it's neutral Ps=0 line for those conditions and any g generated beyond that point will result in a negative Ps. With negative energy rate being generated, something has to give. That will usually be altitude. Dudley Henriques "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriques@rcn.com> wrote in message news:f188c124-e34b-4816-939e-> > Is there ever a time when pulling more g does not rob airspeed? I've > not experienced any case where more g does not take energy... > > Cheers The ability to pull g will produce a lot of things including turn rate and radius depending on where the aircraft is in relation to it's specific excess power available. You will lose airspeed to g as induced drag increases, so an energy loss as you have indicated. Thrust is the equalizer if available. The combination of all these factors determines where the aircraft is at any moment in three dimensional space. Create positive g and counter that with thrust and you have a positive Ps and the ability to accelerate, turn or climb in that area of your envelope. Create g that can't be countered by thrust and you do indeed lose airspeed. The turn you are generating drags the aircraft back toward it's neutral Ps=0 line for those conditions and any g generated beyond that point will result in a negative Ps. With negative energy rate being generated, something has to give. That will usually be altitude. Dudley Henriques ------------------------------------ Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt! The correct answer was No, Hemingway. > "Dudley Henriques" <dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Bzzzzzzzzzzzzt! The correct answer was No, Hemingway. I'm sure it would be, at your level of understanding. Tell me Maxie,will you EVER have anything useful to contribute other than this constant display of ignorance? > Is there ever a time when pulling more g does not rob airspeed? I've > not experienced any case where more g does not take energy... They are inversely related (through inducted drag) Signaturehttp://preview.tinyurl.com/6glxm9 > That's for a John Boyd! What a maverick. I couldn't hope to match his > stunts to highlight E-M. I met John and knew him for a short time before he died. He was indeed a no nonsense guy and probably one of the finest pure sticks I've ever known if not THE best. His coffers were filled with the names of the best fighter pilots in the world who he converted on from allowing them a starting position at his six while flying the Hun. His on going bet was 40 seconds, and to my knowledge he was never beaten nor has his record ever been topped for conversion air to air 1V1. I did a bit of research flying as a civilian in T38's that |
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