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Aviation Forum / General / Aviation / July 2009Airplane noise can indeed be annoying
I went camping last weekend at the Sunol Regional Wilderness, in Sunol CA. I took my son (14 mos. old) for a simple car camping/hiking trip and we had a good time. But I could not get over the amount of aircraft traffic over the park. It was non-stop! Now the funny thing is that I'm a pilot, and I've spent countless boring holes over the San Antonio reservoir (a few miles away). Morever, I know that the SUNOL intersection is only 10 miles away and is a fix for A LOT of procedures. All of this gave me some sympathy for those who are frustrated with airplane noise. I'm not talking about people who live in the approach paths for major airports, for whom I have little sympathy, but with people who unbenknownst to them, live under an important fix, or a popular practice area. It was an interesting experience. -- dave j PS -- By the way, it was the jet traffic that was most annoying. I could not tell exactly what was going on, but it sounded like the airliners descend from the flight levels to SUNOL and then put power back in to maintain 10k or so. One after the next you could hear engines spool up. > It was an interesting experience. A far more interesting experience is when you're flying and suddenly there is none of that annoying engine noise. >> It was an interesting experience. > A far more interesting experience is when you're flying and suddenly > there is none of that annoying engine noise. That is when you glide, you should be prepared. >>> It was an interesting experience. >> A far more interesting experience is when you're flying and suddenly >> there is none of that annoying engine noise. > > That is when you glide, you should be prepared. My keyboard seems to be on autopilot. It's flling this thread with posts in my name that I haven't seen. Heh! The not-so-strange thing is all the other posts in the thread are by long established sockpuppets that haunt the aviation groups. What a surprise, not. In article <d5634a58-83e1-4d95-86af-e883e0ce5751@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, > > It was an interesting experience. > A far more interesting experience is when you're flying and suddenly > there is none of that annoying engine noise. Somewhat less interesting but far more fun is when there's none of that annoying engine noise for the whole flight, start to finish. :)  SignatureMike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon > In article > <d5634a58-83e1-4d95-86af-e883e0ce5751@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Somewhat less interesting but far more fun is when there's none of that > annoying engine noise for the whole flight, start to finish. :) That's called "cruising". Learn it. Franklin >> In article >> <d5634a58-83e1-4d95-86af-e883e0ce5751@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That's called "cruising". Learn it. Mike is talking about flying gliders. Not really sure what you're talking about. >>> In article >>> <d5634a58-83e1-4d95-86af-e883e0ce5751@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Mike is talking about flying gliders. Not really sure what you're talking > about. "Cruising" is when you are at the plane's best speed. "Gliding" in flight without power. I'll help you with any other terms you might like. > >>> In article > >>> <d5634a58-83e1-4d95-86af-e883e0ce5751@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I'll help you with any other terms you might like. And so "cruising" is related to making an entire flight without engine noise (or power) how? SignatureMike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon >>>>> In article >>>>> <d5634a58-83e1-4d95-86af-e883e0ce5751@f20g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > And so "cruising" is related to making an entire flight without engine > noise (or power) how? Comprehension issue or not a glider and pilot? >> I'll help you with any other terms you might like. > > And so "cruising" is related to making an entire flight without engine > noise (or power) how? Mike, he's a troll. >>> I'll help you with any other terms you might like. >> >> And so "cruising" is related to making an entire flight without engine >> noise (or power) how? > > Mike, he's a troll. Mike, Jim's a troll. > >>> I'll help you with any other terms you might like. > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mike, Jim's a troll. Jim's got a posting history that goes back more than a decade. He's no troll. "Franklin", on the other hand... >> >>> I'll help you with any other terms you might like. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > "Franklin", on the other hand... I love it. Heh! Jim's got a long history alright but nearly all of it involves making provocative remarks. For my money he is a sock and he's operated by the same sockmaster who operates you. Yes, you're a sock too. When I got the better of your sockmaster, he became disgruntled and started disparaging my messages by creating this posting frenzy. Same old, same old. > >> >>> I'll help you with any other terms you might like. > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I love it. Heh! Jim's got a long history alright but nearly all of it > involves making provocative remarks. Meaning he has disagreed with you (or the sockpuppet using your name)? > For my money he is a sock and he's > operated by the same sockmaster who operates you. Your money isn't worth much. > Yes, you're a sock too. Likely monopoly money, at that. >>>> >>> I'll help you with any other terms you might like. >>>> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Likely monopoly money, at that. I'm being forged. Any dolt can see that Heh! > >> I'll help you with any other terms you might like. > > > > And so "cruising" is related to making an entire flight without engine > > noise (or power) how? > > Mike, he's a troll. I know, I was just winding up a bit before I let him go. Alas, he's not a very entertaining troll, more on the nonsensical side than the crazy side. SignatureMike Ash Radio Free Earth Broadcasting from our climate-controlled studios deep inside the Moon >>> I'll help you with any other terms you might like. >> >> And so "cruising" is related to making an entire flight without >> engine noise (or power) how? > > Mike, he's a troll. He sure is a troll. In fact, he's trying to post as if he were me. He's a regular sock in alt.comp.freeware where he posts under a variety of names. Currently he uses "David W" in that group. The sock is upset because I recently showed the close connection between him and a particularly destructive poster in a.c.f. called "Bear Bottoms": <http://h.imagehost.org/view/0696/Bottoms_sock> <http://h.imagehost.org/view/0227/Bottoms_sock_page2> The sock fantasizes about being a pilot and has probably been playing the same games in the aviation groups as he does in a.c.f. <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/e15d3e968deb1576> A bit of history I wrote not long ago also upset him: <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/3d5703183eab2b11> > The sock is upset because I recently showed the close connection between > him and a particularly destructive poster in a.c.f. called "Bear > Bottoms": Aha. >> The sock is upset because I recently showed the close connection between >> him and a particularly destructive poster in a.c.f. called "Bear >> Bottoms": > > Aha. His name is David W and he *is* Bear Bottoms, the husband of Jaqueline. Would you like for me to post all of his personal data? Returning to the original topic....I live 5 miles due north of a very busy GA airport, directly under the way-out-there approach to 17. Strangely enough, the only traffic that bothers me is the police helicopter as it rushes over my house to wherever... But, I also live in a city environment where it's rarely and truly quiet, there's always some ambient noise that intrudes inside the house. > Returning to the original topic....I live 5 miles due north of a very > busy GA airport, Harstfield? Atlanta Georgia? > directly under the way-out-there approach to 17. > Strangely enough, the only traffic that bothers me is the police > helicopter as it rushes over my house to wherever... Guilt. > But, I also live in a city environment where it's rarely and truly > quiet, there's always some ambient noise that intrudes inside the > house. That's Atlanta, I have been there many times. "Franklin>" <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it> wrote > Harstfield? Atlanta Georgia? > > That's Atlanta, I have been there many times. If that was true, you would know Harstfield is not a GA airport. Also, it is Hartsfield, if you want to spell it the way the rest of us do... SignatureJim in NC > "Franklin>" <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > If that was true, you would know Harstfield is not a GA airport. They moved Atlanta out of Georgia? when was that? > Also, it is Hartsfield, if you want to spell it the way the rest of us do... Oh, a NetKop. > > "Franklin>" <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it> wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Oh, a NetKop. Well, dumbass, in this case "GA" means "General Aviation," NOT "Georgia! If you were a legitimate participant in rec.aviation.piloting, you would know that. SignatureRemove _'s from email address to talk to me. >>> "Franklin>" <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it> wrote >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Well, dumbass, You must be talking to Jim, I'll back out now. >> > "Franklin>" <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it> wrote >> > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > If you were a legitimate participant in rec.aviation.piloting, you > would know that. Orval, that's torn it! The sock really hates to be shown up. Heh! He posts to alt.comp.freeware and he hates if you call his bluff about aviation or special forces. (He pretends to be a Navy Seal.) Expect more socks to join in this discussion and bolster what he wrote. Or try and bury your observation with dozens of their meaningless posts. 'Franklin' wrote thus: >>> > "Franklin>" <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it> wrote >>> > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Expect more socks to join in this discussion and bolster what he wrote. >Or try and bury your observation with dozens of their meaningless posts. I've not seen the rest of this thread, but let me get this straight Franklin. Are you claiming that YOU didn't make the post quoted and mentioned above using your posting name of: > Franklin <never.c@red.about.it> I have seen that exact same From: field used by you scores of times (among the other 150 variations you use). If so, sorry, I don't believe you. Signature·ACF.FAQ download: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-d375213f.html ·ACF.FAQ view: http://alt-comp-freeware-FAQ.notlong.com ·Freeware resources: http://bearware.info ·ACF <zero tolerance> policy: http://zer0tolerance.notlong.com "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident" (Arthur Schopenhauer) >> Franklin <never.c@red.about.it> > > I have seen that exact same From: field used by you scores of > times (among the other 150 variations you use). The contents of the "From:" header is useless in determining source since its contents are under total control of the poster. A little more reliable is the contents of the "Path:" header. The poster has, at best, only partial control of that (called path pre-loading; which most Usenet providers forbid as part of their terms of service - and even when allowed, the poster can only append something to the right-hand side.) 'Jim Logajan' wrote thus: >>> Franklin <never.c@red.about.it> >> >> I have seen that exact same From: field used by you scores of >> times (among the other 150 variations you use). >The contents of the "From:" header is useless in determining source since >its contents are under total control of the poster. A little more reliable >is the contents of the "Path:" header. The poster has, at best, only >partial control of that (called path pre-loading; which most Usenet >providers forbid as part of their terms of service - and even when allowed, >the poster can only append something to the right-hand side.) That's true, but the snippets of the quoted post I saw looked a lot like the type of debate that Franklin has. He says one thing and when called on it, wriggles and squirms and creates diversions Signature·ACF.FAQ download: http://www.datafilehost.com/download-d375213f.html ·ACF.FAQ view: http://alt-comp-freeware-FAQ.notlong.com ·Freeware resources: http://bearware.info ·ACF <zero tolerance> policy: http://zer0tolerance.notlong.com "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident" (Arthur Schopenhauer) >>> Franklin <never.c@red.about.it> >> I have seen that exact same From: field used by you scores of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > providers forbid as part of their terms of service - and even when allowed, > the poster can only append something to the right-hand side.) As long as nobody knows what Operating system I use; I'm safe. >>>> Franklin <never.c@red.about.it> >>> I have seen that exact same From: field used by you scores of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > As long as nobody knows what Operating system I use; I'm safe. You're using a Mac :-) SignatureMH >>>> Franklin <never.c@red.about.it> >>> I have seen that exact same From: field used by you scores of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > As long as nobody knows what Operating system I use; I'm safe. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) - so I'd be thinking Darwin. Cheers, Gary B-) > Orval, that's torn it! The sock really hates to be shown up. Heh! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Or try and bury your observation with dozens of their meaningless > posts. If this guy is a fake seal then use this link to bust him: http://www.nightscribe.com/Military/SEALs/wannabe_seals.htm Ive used it and it works.. L Franklin <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it> wrote: >> Returning to the original topic....I live 5 miles due north of a very >> busy GA airport, > >Harstfield? Atlanta Georgia? Hartsfield is not a GA airport. It's a Class B commercial airport that marginally tolerates GA. >That's Atlanta, I have been there many times. congratulations. > Franklin <"Franklin <never.c"@red.about.it> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Hartsfield is not a GA airport. It's a Class B commercial airport > that marginally tolerates GA. I marginally tolerate those Crackers myself. >>That's Atlanta, I have been there many times. > > congratulations. For nothing I assure you. > Returning to the original topic....I live 5 miles due north of a very > busy GA airport, directly under the way-out-there approach to 17. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > quiet, there's always some ambient noise that intrudes inside the > house. Interesting that you say that. I live about 5.5 miles SE of an airport that has increasing private jet traffic. That not bad. It is the Medical Helicopter going back and forth from the hospital to the airport at 200' almost over my house at 10:30PM to put it away for the night. They keep in on the hospital during the day and seem to put it away at night or if storms are in the area. This thing sits on top of a 4 story building. SignatureRegards, Ross C-172F 180HP Sold :( KSWI |
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