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Barnstormer's "A Year of Soaring"

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sisu1a - 23 Sep 2008 15:00 GMT
Kinda cool...

http://www.barnstormers.com/eFLYER/2008/033-eFLYER-FA01-Soaring.html

-Paul
HoUdino - 24 Sep 2008 16:51 GMT
With the increase in costs of power flying, one would believe a
program focused on power pilots would see some positive results for
soaring.  Thanks for the post!

LT
Alan - 25 Sep 2008 06:04 GMT
>With the increase in costs of power flying, one would believe a
>program focused on power pilots would see some positive results for
>soaring.  Thanks for the post!

 You must be kidding.  Gliding costs *lots* more than power flying --
by at least 3 to 1.

    Alan
Frank Whiteley - 25 Sep 2008 06:51 GMT
> In article <74edfaad-925c-4da4-953f-839b931d7...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com> HoUdino <lars...@aol.com> writes:
>
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>
>         Alan

Not in my experience, ever.  The cheapest power flying I ever did was
$19.50/hour wet for a C152 out of the Fort Lewis Flying Club, WA,
circa 1976.

I have fond memories of 50pence ($1US) five hour flights from winch
launches (RAF clubs).  In the early 1990's while in the UK, the number
of second launches off the winch I took to commit soaring could be
counted on one hand for the season.   Of course 19m and longer wings
help one scratch away on a regular basis.

Frank
Alan - 25 Sep 2008 08:12 GMT
>> In article <74edfaad-925c-4da4-953f-839b931d7...@w39g2000prb.googlegroups
>.com> HoUdino <lars...@aol.com> writes:
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>$19.50/hour wet for a C152 out of the Fort Lewis Flying Club, WA,
>circa 1976.

 Perhaps I should elaborate.

 I slightly beat that in 1977, but I was talking about what it costs
now.  C-152's rent for $89 at Palo Alto, about 10 miles from home.

 About an hour of glider time cost me $378 last weekend, once it
was added up.  That didn't count the 70 mile drive each way to get
there.

>I have fond memories of 50pence ($1US) five hour flights from winch
>launches (RAF clubs).  In the early 1990's while in the UK, the number
>of second launches off the winch I took to commit soaring could be
>counted on one hand for the season.   Of course 19m and longer wings
>help one scratch away on a regular basis.

 Tows cost $26/1000 feet + $7 connection.  Lift is apparently a
5000 - 6000 foot tow away, due to the marine layer arriving midday.

 No way we get 5 hours for $1.

 I have owned a power plane.  I have an idea what it must cost to
own/operate/maintain a tow plane.  I believe the costs of running
a commercial operation add up.  One has to expect to pay to have an
operation that continues to exist.

 But, it is not less expensive than power flight.  I wish it were
inexpensive; really I do.

    Alan
Eric Greenwell - 26 Sep 2008 02:59 GMT
 >   I have owned a power plane.  I have an idea what it must cost to
> own/operate/maintain a tow plane.  I believe the costs of running
> a commercial operation add up.  One has to expect to pay to have an
> operation that continues to exist.
>
>   But, it is not less expensive than power flight.

Not the way you do it, but most people manage a far smaller per hour cost.

My cost is about $45/hour, including lost interest on the value of the
glider. It used to be more like $20/hour, but then I bought a really
expensive glider.

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ContestID67 - 25 Sep 2008 08:15 GMT
>   You must be kidding.  Gliding costs *lots* more than power flying --
> by at least 3 to 1.
>
>         Alan

Alan,

Explain that statement.  I don't get it.

Give me a breakdown on a per flight basis on how gliding is 3x more
expensive than power flight.

Start with student pilot to private ticket, then intermediate XC 1-2
hour flights, then Advanced XC flight.

- John
 
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